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XX people having their own gaming tournament? This will not do!

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coleridge · 05/05/2017 21:28

www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/trans-women-barred-from-gaming-tournament?utm_term=.dxXk1oYpM#.ngleaLmZg

Trans women want to attend a female-only gaming tournament, tournament organisers are horrendous awful bigots for wanting them to confirm their legal gender in an attempt to protect the tournament from getting trolled by men.

I love gaming and always have and while there are some fantastic men who love it when someone else shares their hobby, far too many male gamers are extremely hostile to female gamers.

These trans women were not told they were not women or could not attend, the organisers just wanted to be clear that they had taken the steps to change their legal gender. How horrible, how bigoted.

Glad to see some in the comments have sense.

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Datun · 13/05/2017 20:18

How the hell did we get here?

This, oh THIS, a thousand times.

JigglyTuff · 13/05/2017 20:14

Oh FGS - that is bloody absurd Coleridge. Anyone who wants a doctor who doesn't have specialist knowledge in their biology examining them just to validate their gender identity clearly has mental health issues.

How the hell did we get here?

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coleridge · 13/05/2017 17:26

*to get in trouble, not to get them in trouble

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coleridge · 13/05/2017 17:25

WankingMonkey, not all of us in the medical and scientific professions have accepted the transactivist view. I'm a biomedical scientist who runs a lot of clinical trials and I CANNOT have a male person on a trial involving female people (and vice versa) no matter how much I'm upsetting people or denying their identity. They will confound my results and the trial will have been useless. Yes, a lot of trans people accept what their biological sex is and don't try to deny it, but so many have gone wild with the 'biological sex is also a social construct' and 'penises and XY chromosomes have nothing to do with being biologically male' stance. Males and females respond to different drugs differently and experience conditions differently. It's a fact. It's biology, not bigotry.

I really can't say too much about it and get into specifics, but I know a gynaecologist who a transwoman is doing their darndest to get them in trouble for not seeing 'her'. For a condition that is generally not treated by GYNAEcologists because they specialise in FEMALE anatomy not MALE. But no, this person's penis is female so medical specialties be darned.

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Datun · 12/05/2017 10:32

Except it appears from that article that it is having the opposite effect.

Instead of highlighting how men posing as women are an issue, it is saying that their acceptance policy needs to be changed, so they don't make that mistake with transwomen in the future.

I can see actually increasing the number of transwomen who want to participate.

Partly because the competition profile has now been raised and partly because they can score a political/public point with little push back.

JigglyTuff · 12/05/2017 09:50

Well there's a big surprise. I shall add that to my growing list of examples for all those people who whine that no man would ever pretend to be transgender just to access women only spaces.

DJBaggySmalls · 12/05/2017 09:46

Update; the group were outed online as trolls.

mashable.com/2017/05/08/counter-strike-transgender-team/#vbFBPLfsFEqS

QuentinSummers · 09/05/2017 23:52

WTAF?? A hoax? Nicely proving why the organisers need to check ID to weed out trolls then

WankingMonkey · 09/05/2017 23:07

Ugh the comments on that article are horrendous. Bookmarked to annoy myself a little more tomorrow but the first ones that have came up...just awful. I seriously cannot believe anyone actually believes the bollocks they write. Science is proving that transwomen actually are women also apparently and this is why trans rights are a hot topic...just...what?!

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coleridge · 09/05/2017 21:49

Very well said.

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M0stlyBowlingHedgehog · 09/05/2017 21:27

Which all rather reinforces the point - how are we, as women, supposed to tell the difference between genuine trans and misogynistic blokes pretending to be trans for shits'n'giggles as in this case (or more sinister motives)? Answer: we can't. But of course the trans activists tell us men would never take advantage of self-identification to pretend to be trans to get into women's spaces, oh no, that would just never happen, ever...

In an odd way I'm glad this was simply trolls trying to get into a gaming convention rather than sexual predators trying to get into a women's refuge.

OlennasWimple · 09/05/2017 21:20

WTF...

BetsyM00 · 09/05/2017 20:00

A hoax? So instead of blokes pretending to be women we have blokes pretending to be blokes pretending to be women? Oh well, that's okay then. Confused

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coleridge · 09/05/2017 19:36

Hmm, odd. The original article has now been updated saying it was a hoax? Just...why?

That said, it's still an interesting discussion point, as we know full well that trans women have shut down several women-only festivals and events because they were not welcome to attend (whether they were actually banned or just felt unwelcome) and there was also the trans woman who sued a waxing salon in Australia because the waxer couldn't do a pubic hair wax because she wasn't trained in waxing male bodies and hadn't been alerted to the fact the trans woman had a
fully intact male body beforehand. That one in particular was ridiculous for several reasons.

Anyway, some good discussion here. I was going to discuss my view when I had time but as it's a hoax (seriously, what a weird hoax!), I'll refrain. We can wait for the next news story like this that is actually true ;)

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venusinscorpio · 09/05/2017 07:15

The comments were nuts. That Josiah guy is really up himself. No fucking self awareness that he's being a mysoginstc prat to the highest degree.

He thinks the murder rate of transpeople is 1 in 12. Clueless fuckwit. And he apparently has "citations". I'm sure he has, but they're still bullshit, as anyone with half a brain cell could easily work out.

OlennasWimple · 09/05/2017 00:54

Pah, balls don't indicate a woman!

Neither does having a penis, wanting to penetrate things, dominate a woman, be brutish.... (Link is to a Reddit thread)

Childrenofthestones · 08/05/2017 21:02

Cant be a real woman though as she still has a bag of balls.

nauticant · 08/05/2017 12:05

"If golfwomen are so keen on their opportunity to shine, they could always organise a golfwomen gaming contest all of their own..."

And thus, a new gender is born, the golfwoman.

Gallavich · 08/05/2017 10:26

The nurse above talking about male patients getting Pap smears is referring to trans identifying females - so totally not male patients in any respect of the meaning of the word male. Extraordinary that a nurse performing check ups on people's primary and secondary sexual organs believes that people with cervixes are male and people with prostates are female Hmm

PoochSmooch · 08/05/2017 10:06

I know, Datun. Chickfest would be catnip for the transactivists, just like Michfest was. I will eat my hat if Blokefest gets even the mildest whiff of scolding.

Datun · 08/05/2017 08:45

PoochSmooch

Can you imagine an event called 'ChickFest'?

"For the glorious sixth year running on one weekend in June we will be singing like chicks, acting like women and getting to be one of the gals."

There would be positively legions of transwomen lining up to get in and take over.

They would be trying to take it over and shut it down at the same time.

Michfest anyone?

Bambambini · 08/05/2017 07:27

The comments were nuts. That Josiah guy is really up himself. No fucking self awareness that he's being a mysoginstc prat to the highest degree.

MaisyPops · 08/05/2017 07:14

pooch Because it's rare you see trans men kicking off the same way some trans women do. Even then, it's rarely trans women who've gone through legal change of gender and surgery. It's almost always trans women in their 20s/30s who are biologically male with no intention of having surgery.

PoochSmooch · 08/05/2017 07:09

www.blokefest.net/

It's interesting to compare the event in the op with this hideously transphobic event, Blokefest, which is unashamedly ONLY FOR MEN AND BOYS! Not cis men only. Just men, no qualifier. No apologies, no "open to anyone who identifies as a man", no hysterical tirades on social media (AFAIK) about how trans men are excluded and oppressed by the existence of this event.

It's only women's events which need to be inclusive. It's only women who need to be told who we are and what we can do. It's only gatherings of women together that are dangerous and oppressive to trans people.

Meh, this shit it getting tiring.

OlennasWimple · 07/05/2017 22:15

Well, unless the "women only" event was a mammogram clinic or a smear clinic - transmen still need these unless they have had full surgery top and bottom

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