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Judge - 'women must be careful'- help me argue against my Daily Mail quoting mother argh

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af2000 · 05/05/2017 15:32

I'm not really sure if this is going to make sense.

Having coffee with my mother, grandmother and SIL today and the subject somehow came around to rape and the recent case of an outgoing judge saying that young women need to be 'more careful' (in the context of avoiding getting raped).

They were all saying that they agreed with the judge and that the subsequent outcry about her comments were taken out of context and that she was actually right. I tried to argue that she was not right and that women should not have to 'be more careful' and that it once again came around to the fact that we have an intrinsic culture of victim blaming here, even when we don't think we do. They all dismissed my comments, as usually tends to happen.. they think I am just a ridiculous liberal I think HmmConfused

Can you help me with the argument I was trying to make? But in a more convincing/articulate way. I know what I am getting at but I feel foolish and ganged up against and like my current post pregnancy brain is no longer up to a good bit of debate 😕

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BeyondThePage · 05/05/2017 16:29

The judge's comments were taken out of context though. Yes - only rapists rape.... and she agreed that.

But being too drunk to know what you are doing puts you at all sorts of risks. You are more likely to have your bag or phone stolen, you are more likely to fall and hurt yourself, you are more likely to appear vulnerable.

People don't go out leaving their front door wide open - yet only burglars burgle.

DJBaggySmalls · 05/05/2017 16:18

VestalVirgin Grin

ChocChocPorridge · 05/05/2017 16:14

Agree that men should not be allowed to leave the house without a female chaperone,

This has always been my favourite idea. Instead of advising women to stay home because there's a rapist loose, advise men to stay home so they don't get confused with the rapist.

The spluttering it provokes is fantastic.

VestalVirgin · 05/05/2017 15:49

... sorry, mix up in the fifth line, but you get what I mean.

VestalVirgin · 05/05/2017 15:43

Agree with them. Tell them that women unnecessarily put themselves at risk of rape all the time by living together with men and marrying men.
Agree that society should be changed so that women live together with female friends (or in matrilineal households - you could move back in with them! Only suggest that if they wouldn't like this, though Wink) instead of putting themselves at risk of rape instead of living with men.
Agree that men should not be allowed to leave the house without a female chaperone, in order to avoid stranger rape. Women should be more careful with regard to stranger rape and vote for such a law to be introduced.

Then tell me what they reply. Grin

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