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Feminist group-man insisting on men being "involved"

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TheBoyWhoWouldntHoeCorn · 03/05/2017 00:55

Hello, I am a long time on and off lurker on feminist chat

On a local community page on Facebook a woman has just suggested starting up a feminist group/meetings

A few comments in, a man has come along and written the following

*If it's a meeting for gender equality (which effectively IS what feminism means) then men HAVE to be involved in the discussion. Especially if their aim is to effect change.

If, however, it's a women's group to discuss and air women's problems to cleanse and relieve frustrations, then that's entirely different and of course it could be just for women.

To bar one gender from a gender equality group is, clearly, completely counterproductive to the aim. And entirely hypocritical*

I am so angry I can't articulate how to respond. Can anyone help me with a kick ass response please?

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KickAssAngel · 03/05/2017 01:17

MyName - I'm under the impression that there are plenty of opportunities for men to educate themselves and find out those things, without insisting that women have to educate them. They could, for example, look at the pay gap as published by ONS and/or Forbes, and then try to DO something about it at their own place of work.

And they could then allow women some privacy to discuss issues without insisting on being there.

venusinscorpio · 03/05/2017 01:16

There are plenty of men who are feminists too

Entirely a matter of opinion. Not one I share. Men tend to centre their own interests and don't listen to women. Women are socialised to listen to men. It's ok for us to have our own movement where we set the agenda.

KickAssAngel · 03/05/2017 01:14

This should do.

Feminist group-man insisting on men being "involved"
MyNameIsntTaken · 03/05/2017 01:12

It's true. If there is sexism, then men should hear about it. If women aren't being treated fairly, men should hear about it. There are plenty of men who are feminists too.
How can things change if only half the people who want to hear from you are allowed to hear from you?
I just don't get it, so do explain it to me if I've got that wrong.

Of course, if he's a troublemaker and saying he wants to come purely to get a reaction that's different, but you won't know that yet.
Plenty of men care about gender equality and would class themselves as feminists, want to help, and they shouldn't be barred from these things, that will just alienate people or make people feel like it's not something they want to be anywhere near.

venusinscorpio · 03/05/2017 01:09

He might just be being an obnoxious troll though. Some men find that hilarious.

OlennasWimple · 03/05/2017 01:09

What venus said.

Then share a meme about mansplaining

Datun · 03/05/2017 01:08

Feminism is not about gender equality. Otherwise we will be advocating that men become prostitutes, get raped and killed by their partners at the rate of 2 a week. We would be advocating that they have a 20% pay cut, get FGM and suffer honour killings.

Would also be on board with allowing 100 million male foetuses be aborted before they're born.

It's not and never has been about equality. Clearly, 'equality' is entirely the wrong word and wholly misleading.

It's about liberating women from the oppression they suffer at the hands of men.

And you can bet your bloody life that the man you are talking of will absolutely want to get in there and disrupt it.

Because whilst you are all talking about abortions and menstruation, he couldn't give a shit, it affects him not at all. But if you are advocating for women to be liberated from all these oppressive acts, it means men are being questioned and held up to scrutiny. And that is not something they are prepared to allow.

venusinscorpio · 03/05/2017 01:07

Tell him feminism is not about "gender equality" but about the liberation of women from patriarchy. And give him a long second wave reading list before he can join in.

user1491572121 · 03/05/2017 01:04

Just tell him to fuck off.

When the group starts, block him. Easy. Don't sweat over some weirdo behind a keyboard.

TheBoyWhoWouldntHoeCorn · 03/05/2017 00:59

Sorry bold fail

If it's a meeting for gender equality (which effectively IS what feminism means) then men HAVE to be involved in the discussion. Especially if their aim is to effect change. If, however, it's a women's group to discuss and air women's problems to cleanse and relieve frustrations, then that's entirely different and of course it could be just for women. To bar one gender from a gender equality group is, clearly, completely counterproductive to the aim. And entirely hypocritical

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