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Men bashing

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PirateQueenie · 01/05/2017 14:57

Hi all,

I don't have a real purpose to this thread other than to just voice my confusion and possibly hear some other opinions.

I would identify as feminist - although for want of a better word, I would rather say I'm an egalitarian. I enjoy reading these threads, and comment on some. But what really disheartens me is all the man-bashing Ive seen. I have a male partner who is my world ♥ wonderful male friends and family members, and when I read some of the things on here I can't help but feel very defensive of the men in my life.

Is this the new wave of feminism? Or am I missing something? When I was growing up (with my mum as an avid feminist), I never heard "men this" or "men that" it was always about how women can strengthen and empower themselves WITHOUT putting men down.

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LineysRun · 03/05/2017 01:36

I'm quite keen on calling out patriarchy.

MyNameIsntTaken · 03/05/2017 01:34

Definitely agree with you there. I always find it easy to compare any equality issues to when people had to fight for race equality and were getting attacked for their race etc.
And it's the same with that, some took it too far and just created hate groups instead of trying to unite people or just make them equal.
You can't hate an entire gender and say they're all terrible people and act all shocked when somebody does the same to you.
I don't like the fact that men are generally seen as being above women, but no way would I want the tables turned and women to be above men, just being equal is fine.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 03/05/2017 01:31

The poster you are referring to had all posts deleted in the thread you are referring to.

The poster you are referring to has an interesting posting style. If I say any more this post will get deleted but I would not necessarily take that poster's posts (or either element of the username) at face value.

PirateQueenie · 03/05/2017 01:24

Thanks MyNameIsntTaken. I hate people using any belief system as a weapon and believe they should always be called out on it! It gives others a bad name

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MyNameIsntTaken · 03/05/2017 01:19

I think it's just some people who are angry about how they've been treated by certain men who take it out on all men. Thankfully not too many are like that though. They've always been around though, it isnt a new thing. Some women just don't like men the same way some men just don't like women. There are of course lots of issues to be dealt with like domestic abuse, assault etc, but taring all men with the same brush will not help those issues.

PirateQueenie · 03/05/2017 00:17

Ooh sorry I didn't catch up on the thread earlier, and thanks all for your comments.
birdbandit I didn't once suggest it was a tough "you all share", I said there were a few times I'd noticed men being generalised in a negative way. Just an observation about SOME posters. I'm reluctant to mention any other examples as apparently someone reported me for making a "TAAT" which I didn't even realise what that was. Since posting I saw on another thread a poster, who called herself a feminist, being totally obnoxious to a woman who suggested that she would like her husband present at their baby shower. This poster attacked the OP about the fact that she was a housewife and made some other pretty cruel and unnecessary comments.
Again - this is in no way me saying "all feminists share this view" as I KNOW that's bollocks, but i wanted to try and understand why some people can be so rude in the name of feminism.

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GuardianLions · 02/05/2017 19:47

Hi Avon I didn't know you are male... I was speaking about 2 other male posters on this and another thread. But interesting that I got a hat trick dropping the A Dworkin bomb! Wow! Shock

cadnowyllt · 02/05/2017 19:46

Elendon As I mentioned to Sillage, I did not post to IBTP and nor did I try. The text I posted above is taken directly from the website's 'A Handbook to Commenters', see here the advice to dudes.

Maybe this level of prejudice will interest the OP.

Bless

Datun · 02/05/2017 19:35

This is why I really like listening to lesbians online. Especially when a man enters. The male incredulity about lesbianism is awesome to behold.

AvonBarksdale99 · 02/05/2017 18:24

GuardianLions:

"Because whatever it is, they don't miss a beat to try and put women off from reading her....."

Not sure if this was aimed at me? I wouldn't try and put anyone off from reading her, in fact I have recommended and lent Intercourse to a few people, including my sister who is an anti-feminist and lent me a book on discrimination against men in retaliation!

I think everyone should read a wide range of sources rather than just listening to an echo chamber and basing everything on your own narrow worldview. I also think that Dworkin did broadly say that all sex is rape, and I agree to a certain degree, as a man, penetrative heterosexual intercourse does feel quite like that.

Elendon · 02/05/2017 17:44

So Cadno, it was a clear and distinguishable no to you posting on her blog but you still refuse to listen to it and accept it?

That's really not nice behaviour now, is it?

Elendon · 02/05/2017 17:41

Cadno obviously didn't understand the message. Bless.

Or it could be that he did understand the message but refuses to listen to it anyway. Which is not nice behaviour.

birdbandit · 02/05/2017 17:39

I think what you are experiencing is called internalised misogyny. Where you feel uncomfortable about women speaking out against men.

You say you know some good 'uns, so talking about men as a collective, like the Borg or something isn't correct. But you just did just that, the individual comments on the treads don't represent a singular thought we all share.

WellErrr · 02/05/2017 17:34

OP - cadno is about to give a masterclass, so pay attention.

Men like him don't like it when women get together and discuss things that make them uncomfortable. So they push in, undermine, insult and derail.

For some reason, women who don't hold men as the centre of their universe really get up the noses of people like him Wink Grin

Xenophile · 02/05/2017 17:05

sillage

Twisty sounds like someone I'd like to be better acquainted with. Thanks for 'introducing' here Grin

Xenophile · 02/05/2017 17:04

ssd

Have you found examples yet of man bashing? Or is this yet another thread where you come along and make a disparaging comment about this part of the forum and then fuck off until next time?

sillage · 02/05/2017 16:56

yawn

You, like far too many narcissistic men, think you drop witty one-liners but they're just trite, rehashed turds.

cadnowyllt · 02/05/2017 16:51

Looks like someone is in need of their afternoon nap.

sillage · 02/05/2017 16:50

Sounds like good wisdom to fend off masturbators like you.

And yet, a few rare male posters like norbizness were welcome there for years because he didn't shove his head up his dickhole before conversing with feminists.

cadnowyllt · 02/05/2017 16:43

Feminism ? - I never write about Feminism.

sillage · 02/05/2017 16:39

Then maybe you should shut the fuck up about things you don't know anything about. Like feminism.

cadnowyllt · 02/05/2017 16:39

Sillage

Here's some text taken from IBTP....

"Dudes make lousy feminists. Therefore, by popular demand, this blog endeavors to cultivate dude-free discourse. Any comment that expresses views proceeding from any discernible male-identified perspective, even if it is superficially pro-feminist, is not suitable for posting here. Generally speaking, this means:

If you’re a dude, don’t post here.

Don’t use the comments section either to ask feminists to explain feminism to you, or to explain feminism to feminists, or to explain anything to anybody. The Unique Male Experience of Patriarchy is not an appropriate topic, so don’t be this guy.
By the way, this blog doesn’t care if this policy pissed you off. You’re obviously an asshole."

cadnowyllt · 02/05/2017 16:31

Sillage

I never posted there or tried to. As far as I could make out, male posters were blocked as soon as their sex was revealed. However, I didn't visit the website all that often.

sillage · 02/05/2017 16:20

"I Blame The Patriarchy...A website that banned men from posting irrespective of their views. Ahh dear old Twisty. Ho Ho"

There were regular male posters at IBTP, cadnowyllt.

Perhaps Twisty banned you because you have a tendency to shove your head up your dickhole when speaking to feminists?

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