Men bashing

Perhaps it's because you pick up a reaction and run with it. For several posts. Instead of saying well I disagree with that entirely, but anyway, back to the issue in hand.

Queenie what exactly do you want from this thread?

They do, Queenie, they do.

You are standing out though. I'm not really sure why though, to be honest.

Pirate - do you really not see that you have an abrasive posting style at times?

queenie

You jump into controversial threads and post away, with abandon.

Great.

But then get the nark because people are sarcastic or disagree with you.

You have headed straight into the most exacting part of mumsnet.

You are going to be confronted with exasperation, frustration and anger. Mostly it is directed to external things that come up.

But those feelings often run through peoples veins. It's just a byproduct of the support and sharing of information, articles, laws, media, etc, about feminism.

You've asked for lots of links and information. Just read them, toughen up a little, and keep going.

Queenie, I didn't say you started the trans bashing thread.

I said "You seem to have spectacularly bad luck in starting threads, choosing threads and quoting comments". You started this thread, chose to comment on the trans bashing thread and quoted comments from other threads on this thread.

That's all.

I think a lot of women struggle with feminism when they first get to grips with it Pirate. Maybe it's not right for you, or maybe you just need to hand in there and you'll start to feel more comfortable with it. I don't think it's a matter of being 'sensitive,' I think women are used to everything being so man-centric that a truly female-centric, unapologetic, no-shit situation can be a bit daunting at first.

Women are asked to take care of men, centre transwomen, defend feminism to make it user friendly.

It's gets so old. What never gets old is people's shock when women decide not to.

Hear! Hear!

'The most sexist threads I see on here, recently are men are useless, what do you expect, typical man, have to train him.'

I agree entirely with this. It is ridiculously 'man-bashing' to suggest that men can't do housework etc because they are somehow 'useless' - WTF? Feminists, in general, don't believe for one second that men are 'useless' - rather they believe that men are totally capable but that because of the patriarchal society they've been brought up in, they've been trained not to see these things as being important or worth their effort.

Queenie.

I can see that you are trying to find out as much as you can. You are questioning your previous beliefs. You are reasserting some others.

It's all good.

I can see you got couple of negative comments on your thread about feminism. You have to understand that people post on here and say come on then, what it's all about this wimmin stuff?

It happens so often, that there is a stock answer of no, fuck off and do your own homework.

Women are asked to take care of men, centre transwomen, defend feminism to make it user friendly.

It's gets so old. What never gets old is people's shock when women decide not to.

I'm not sure Queenie started the one about trans to be fair.

It's very difficult when disagreement is called hostility. It's a shutting down tactic. It's also vastly irritating.

There is nothing wrong with vehement disagreement. Stick with the issue, address the points.

I was just about to jump to the defence of Queenie, because as a nube the passionate debate, reasoned and robust discussion can feel pretty harsh. Some of us are on a steeper learning curve than others, and do want to learn, but it can be pretty intimidating for those of us who are used to softening our opinions and making them more digestible to the listener.

However, if Queenie has in her first week started a thread about trans bashing and one about man bashing, then I suspect she is more robust than me and does not need defending!

Really? You dont see anything negative about it at all? Nothing?

Despite that, and despite you giving no examples of this supposed man-bashing (which is apparently so bad it makes you feel defensive for the men in your life) a lot of women gave a lot of time to explain their points of view to you, and you then called us hostile? And said it was a negative place?

And you really can't see why any of that is offensive?

I suspect Pirate feels under attack because there is only one of her - plus Cadno - and there are more of us, which can feel a bit overwhelming.

But that doesn't mean that we are all ganging up to be nasty

One thing I like most about this board is the discussion and debate. I have frequently changed my mind about stuff as a result of chewing things over on this board, and I think others would say the same. We are not a hive mind of feminists, and by and large we respect each others' views on issues (I know I'm out of kilter with the majority views on here on late term abortion and whether men can be feminists, for example)

What we dont' tolerate by and large is posters who make broad accusations and can't produce the evidence to substantiate them. It happens so often it has become beyond tedious, hence some of us are a little jaded. At least you have stuck around and not just flounced like so many of your predecessors, so thank you for that.

PirateQueenie,

You are either unable to see the double standard or you really don't want to see it.

How's the transgender bashing thread going, Queenie?

You seem to have spectacularly bad luck in starting threads, choosing threads and quoting comments for someone who is so averse to conflict. Particularly since you've only been on Mumsnet for a week.

You re read your OP then. Of course it's negative. Having that pointed out to you is not 'hostile.'

I've just re read your OP.

Your recent posts are pretty rich for someone who came on here to tell us we're doing feminism wrong

when I was asked I gave one example. Unfortunately for me that back fired because the one I chose to say was said by a man

Choose another?

I find this whole place a minefield if anyone dares have a difference of opinion

It's not though is it? Given the wide range of opinions here.