Sex Robots- creating the "perfect" woman

Can I remind you independent that back in the good old days when men bought flowers, once that man got a ring on his woman's finger he could then rape her, legally, as and when he wanted?

immoral sexual culture which it is now impossible to regulate is partly the responsibility of the left.
How?

Oh, and the other thing you're simply not getting is that there was no golden age when women were shown respect. Not for their own sake. They may have been afforded respect insofar as they were the property of other men, and conditional on their meeting certain standards of behaviour - but that is not genuine respect, not respect for them as human beings but simply deference towards their male owners.

And surely men shouldn't have to be forced to treat women with respect?

Just a reminder of the stats here. 90% of the people in prison for violent crimes in the UK are male. 98% of the people in prison for sexual crimes in the UK are male. Sexual crimes and violent crimes are overwhelmingly gendered in their execution. Yes, of course women who commit sexual crimes are heinous individuals who should be punished. But the fact remains that there are far less of them. To ignore the proportions of the two sexes committing these crimes is itself a form of distorting the truth, a wilful misrepresentation of reality, and, to be frank, a form of deliberate gas-lighting.

Your argument is very confusing independent - you suggested earlier that it was feminsts' desire to have sexual freedom that has caused problems - is unless women are controlled, things go wrong.

There has, completely wrongly, not been those restraints on men - and I am all in favour of them being imposed. Bring it on. I'd have the dolls, the porn and the prostitution banned if I had my way and the pornographers and pimps stuck up against a wall.

But my point remains that the huge growth in commercialised sex and an anarchic, immoral sexual culture which it is now impossible to regulate is partly the responsibility of the left. It is they who have advanced the right of the individual over all social norms and morals. Now women are not shown respect because there isn't any ethic of respect. There is, more and more, just loveless, utilitarian sex. These days you don't buy a woman flowers and invite her to a dance, you send her a pic of your dick along with 'wanna fuck?'. That's real empowering I imagine.

No, it's not what I'm saying. I think there should be total equality when it comes to all moral standards that men and women live by. Total equality. That means neither men nor women should feel it is right to sexually use, abuse, objectify, degrade or exploit others. And that sex should rightly take place in a relationship of mutual respect and empathy.

And I think women can turn into animals too.

Throughout human history there has been very little moral restraint on men's sexual behaviour - they rape millions of women. Funny jow, when women are no longer strictly controlled, they are the problem, despite the fact that what they do is neither illegal nor morally repugnant, eh?

Thanks for the mansplaining. As far as I can tell, you expect women to do as men want because otherwise men turn into animals. Is that what you're saying?

There are laws against child abuse, and the reason why there are laws against child abuse is that as a society we have decided child abuse is morally wrong. So the restraint on someone's sexuality in that extreme is not just legal but moral. Ideally, people should not just be thinking 'I'm not going to molest this child because I might get in trouble for it', they should find it morally repugnant. In other words, morality precedes legal criminality.

You don't seem like an idiot independent. You do know that there are laws against child abuse, don't you?

Do you think women should have any restraints placed on their sexuality?

Suppose a woman gets off on child abuse videos. Would I be 'slut-shaming' her if I condemned her?

I am saying that everyone's sexuality should be controlled - men and women equally; that both men and women should be taught to control their sexual appetites, just as every other aspect of human interpersonal affairs should be circumscribed by morals.

If you think society should remove all moral restraints from sexual behaviour and from the ensuing anarchy female empowerment will bloom along with a more humane sexual culture then you are in for some disappointment.

So independent are you saying that it's up to women to control men's behaviour by submitting to a moral code that controls their sexuality?

Anglo saxon male power is demographically, economically and intellectually on the slide, that's what all this new wave sexism is all about: impotence, figuratively and literally.

So once all this male, anglo-saxon power and impotence anxiety disappears then all the porn and the exploitation and the child abuse will go with it will it?

That is not how power works. I mean I agree, men won't have the power in the future. But power itself - that isn't going anywhere. Sadism and violence and victimisation are not going anywhere.

What a victory eh
Anglo saxon male power is demographically, economically and intellectually on the slide, that's what all this new wave sexism is all about: impotence, figuratively and literally.

It's the saddest thing, men wanking into a computer.
It proves a certain type of male moral, intellectual and sexual impotence.

It's that impotence which scares some men the most.

This may be so, but it alters my point not one jot. Lots of people wank with the aid of computers now - including women. What a victory eh?

cross post elendon,

Sorry meant to say either gay or het men bought the male sexbots.

Gay men bought the male sexbots!

But sexual liberationist feminists - in fact the hippy, yippie liberal left from the 70's on generally - are partly responsible for this culture.

Couldn't be bothered to read the rest as my eyes are watering from the laughter.

But sexual liberationist feminists - in fact the hippy, yippie liberal left from the 70's on generally - are partly responsible for this culture.

ha ha ha ha ha

A male sexbot, ha ha too.
Would it look like a vacuum cleaner, but be unable to do sub human work?

It's the saddest thing, men wanking into a computer.
It proves a certain type of male moral, intellectual and sexual impotence.

It's that impotence which scares some men the most.

Did you not watch the video in the link Independent? The male sexbots are bought by men.

Well, I think we all know that men have got quite a lot to do with the sexual objectification of women. I didn't point that out because it kind of didn't need saying. But sexual liberationist feminists - in fact the hippy, yippie liberal left from the 70's on generally - are partly responsible for this culture.

They wanted an end to monogamy and the family and anything which stood in the way of their 'if it feels good do it' philosophy, and now they've got it. All the restraints and the morals are gone. Violent, degrading porn everywhere. Eight year olds watching bestiality and coprophilia on Facebook. Kids circulating nude pics of themselves. College campuses in which girls are regarded by boys as 'cum dumpsters'. Hook up apps in which a human being's worth is reduced to their image.

It's just the left's fault. It's the libertarian right with their creed of my individualism and greed. But the left were the other side of the same coin.

It's no good just blaming the patriarchy or capitalism. Well, it is those things but it's the counter-culture philosophy too and all that Erica Jong, Kate Millet 'feminism' which, lo and behold, was to men what blood was to sharks. Now there is an expectation that every women is ready to put out rather than wanting to develop a relationship. Any young girls who don't find emotionless, nihilistic sex empowering - who perhaps want someone to love and who loves them - are ostracised as some sort of freak by their peers.