Trans- kids... so many batshit parents? WTAF?

It's enforcing the most rigid societal invented stereotypes on young children and forcing a delusion on them based on that. It's psychological child abuse and I think it has the potential to be far more damaging than all but the worst physical abuse tbh because these parents are attacking their children's very identity based on liking a certain toy or colour.

I know lots of little boys who love to play with 'girl' things and vice versa. It only becomes an issue when parents/media/other kids tell them they have to fit in a box, that they can't like a certain toy/TV show/colour/item of clothing unless they're the opposite gender. So if they insist that they still like what they like, they're trans...

I think in twenty or thirty years there will be a lot of very angry adults who will be lobbying for protection of children against this form of abuse.

Thanks, stickle.

The other thing I have it seen compared to was the lobotomy craze. (On the 4th wave site, there's a really good article on the parallels, especially within the medical system)

olderthanyouthink

Do it. It's an experiment.

VestalVirgin
That's a really good analogy.

It is a bit like the witch hunts.
There were no real witches (and there are no humans who really change sex)
There were some few people who genuinely believed they could do magic (and there are some few people who genuinely suffer from dysphoria about their bodies)
But mostly, it was just mass insanity, and most of the victims were the same ordinary people as those who got away, just a bit "weird" and therefore suspicious in ways nothing at all to do with witchcraft. (Some of the transed children are homosexual, some are just gender non conforming, some are autistic, etc.)

I'm tempted to go over to Reddit or tumblr and talk about how I loved doing and playing with "boy" things as a child and how I still am not particularly feminine. Throw in my mental health issues and I wonder what they'll come up with.

Railgunner1

I know social media has a large part to play, but I hadn't thought of that aspect.

When people are scattered, individuals can stand out. When they go online and they meet like-minded people, it can feel like everyone is like you and you're no longer different.

So finding your tribe can be both affirming and yet at the same time erasing your individuality.

So you have to invent another way to be different and stand out. It can't be a coincidence that it is the youth who are turning to this ideology in droves. And inventing more and more labels.

TheFirstMrsDV

Yes if there is any correlation between the profile of parents and the transing of children surely that has to give the lie to almost every currently accepted aspect of the cause?

Of course if you are doing a survey, you're going to get a bias purely on the basis of who answers it. And why.

Frankly, I don't think there is any one cause. There can't be. Because you can ask women, men, detransitioners, and they all have a different story.

I do think that the piggy-backing is a kind of mass delusion or hysteria, is what was trying to say.

Is it a sort of mass hysteria? A kind of collective mental illness?

Parents are piggy-backing a delusional idea (children can be born in the wrong body, gender is innate) into society's new framework of values that protects oppressed groups like gay people. No criticism from me, I did it too for a long time. Parents are encouraged from all sides to accept the idea as truth.

It felt subversive and wrong for a time, tentatively trying out the thought that perhaps the emperor had no clothes. The whole process was like a deconversion, with relief and incredulity afterwards.

It's quite remarkable how changing biological sex, something provably impossible, is accepted as truth. Would love to know what biology teachers think when this is taught as fact in schools. Do they speak out? Are they even allowed to speak out?

Datun
Wow. I was talking to a friend about this a couple of days ago and that was almost exactly what I suggested (it wasn't you was it? )

I have thought for a while that this desperate push to find 'difference' and to make parenting a career is one of the reasons behind the trans surge and also the desperate search for SN in children.

I don't mean that kids with SN don't exist or that it is easy to get a diagnosis, I mean the self reported, self diagnosed stuff. Its all very similar to the trans issue. Claim it, write about it (a lot) and build up followers who add to the mythology until there is so much 'proof' your child is trans/has a disability/is a genius that you don't need a diagnosis (actually, you don't even need a child if it all done on-line)

This is the transgender issue that most alarms me. How dare these people! The couple on the video do not seem to be highly educated, but why are the professionals around them encouraging this magical thinking that a boy can be changed into a girl? Why is everyone going along with encouraging a child to be believe they can easily change into the other sex?

By the way did anyone hear on the news today that the pharmaceutical companies are complaining because the NHS is not prescribing enough?

Some of the comments on the blog Railgunner linked to are so disturbing.

People saying 'well I'm sure you knew what gender you were at that age'.

Kids barely have any concept of even being alive at that age. I once called a child I taught 'sweety pie' and he got scared because he thought he was going to turn into a pie. They have no stable concept of self and that includes gender or sexuality or anything else.

I have no issue with people wanting to live however they feel comfortable once they are at an age to make that choice. But taking tiny children seriously when they talk about being a little girl instead of a little boy, and actually indulging those fantasies until they become a reality, is doing children a great disservice. There's nothing wrong with either sex liking pink, black, dinosaurs, cars, nail polish or 'feeling' like the other gender. But a smart parent will let things play out for themselves instead of putting labels on their child at such a young age.

These people act like they are progressive and they just want to put their children into a box.

VestalVirgin

Yeah, soon as I pressed post, I realised it could be read as an either/or. Which isn't what I meant. I just meant as a separate theory.

I'm sure girls transition to escape harassment. I certainly think they are not doing it for the same reason as boys/men.

In fact when I've read transwomen talk to one another, almost all of them say it's about sex. About reaching their desired sex pool, (or becoming it). They say it in a sort of come on everyone, we all know why we're really doing this.

Personally I find it rather incredible that someone would go to all that trouble. Nonetheless, it's what a lot of them say.

Not sure how that sits with the alternative theory that a lot of trans people suffer sexual or emotional abuse as children though.

Alternative? Why does it have to be one OR the other?

I'd assume that the parents transing toddlers is about the parents.

The teen girls transing themselves is more likely to be about sexual abuse, or sexual violence in a broader sense. (And isn't exposing girls to porn, or porn-like music videos already a kind of sexual violence?)

I think a hell of a lot of the 'trans' stuff among teenage girls is primarily about protecting themselves from the sexually aggressive society they are entering. Cutting their hair short and dressing like geography teachers signposts "I am not like those girls who get choked and spat on in those videos my male peers watch. I'm different and that is nothing to do with who I am."

I am not sure. I did wear baggy clothes and no make up as a teen for exactly this reason - but I didn't feel a need to pretend to be male. In fact, I wouldn't have done that even had it been a thing back then. Sharing changing rooms with the boys? Hell no! I was well aware that, while I was making myself as unfuckable as possible, they'd still ogle me if given such an easy opportunity.
(Might have started to identify as non binary and demanded a room separate from other girls AND boys, though. I can easily see how that appeals to girls who reject femininity and might be bullied for not wearing a bra, etc. in the girls' changing room.)

Apparently the socio-economic profile of trans parents is white, middle-class, well educated. With an over representation of women out earning their husbands.

The theory being that when they turn to childcare they make it mean more than 'just raising kids' as a means of over valuing it and thereby their role as 'just' a SAHM.

Not sure how that sits with the alternative theory that a lot of trans people suffer sexual or emotional abuse as children though.

@nauticant - yes - that is exactly what I have been thinking - but expressed so much better than I have managed!

If gender labels attached to objects, behaviours, and perceptions were to be disregarded, much of the newly emerged trans ideology would go poof and TRAs would immediately look like people with dangerous fetishes.

If TRAs have one overriding imperative it is to reinforce gender stereotypes so they are as rigid and confining as possible.

Someone asked about ASD and trans. At my kids high school, the kids with ASD either hang out with the Geeky kids or the Goth/Emo/ trans / self harming / ostentatiously mentally ill kids .

First group are seen as odd but harmless and socially accepted. Second group are seem seriously WEIRD and attention seeking .

Which is unfair of course but that's high school.

I notice because I have an ASD kid and wonder where he will find his tribe.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius

Exactly. It's not progressive it's regressive.

I really don't get why it is so progressive to divide toys, clothes, hobbies etc into ones for girls and ones for boys. Surely the progressive option is to have toys/clothes/hobbies/sports etc be free of gender bias, and encourage children (and adults) to wear, do and play with the things they enjoy - without having to have a label attached to them because of their choices.

I have never, ever read a 'my child is trans' article (tabloid, blog post, whatever) that didn't mention toys.

Says it all, really. They say it's not about the toys, but then they say they 'knew' because of the toys.

Dangerous fucking madness.