Tax credits rape clause

The thing is, I know women who are scummy enough to do exactly that - claim they were raped so that they can get TC for a 3rd child. There are some vile women out there who will do it. There are women out there who would milk the system for anything it is worth. Whether it is fair to subject all women who have been raped to this ordeal for the possible actions of a minority is debateble though.

Unfortunately, as with any crime, you have to have evidence to convict someone. As a rape-victim who never went to the police, I would not expect to be able to turn around and say "so and so raped me" without any evidence of the attack, the same way I can't accuse someone of breaking into my home without evidence of them doing so. That's just the way the law works.

Sadly, i think this is an issue than many men and women are happy to turn a blind eye to in order to keep in line with their politics, i assume because they are assured it will never happen to them. The best one yet i've heard is that rape victims shouldnt even get the option of discretionary payments. They can get an abortion or accept being in financial dire straits like anyone else who chooses to have a third child. Personally i think that is a disgusting attitude.

Apparently there's a backlash against the clause from Catholics, who wont be told to use birth control as its against their religion. Thats one aspect I didnt think of when I heard of it

Catholics are not being told to use contraception. Catholics are being told that they will not get certain tax credits and benefits for a 3rd child. There are arguments which can be put up against this proposal but this one is irrelevant.

Oh wow that didnt occur to me either Baggy.........the Catholic angle.

Polidori Ive said this many times before on here and elsewhere but there needs to be some kind of awareness campaign about reproductive coercion.

Because the lack of understanding and wilful ignorance i see around these issues is appalling.

This is a good summary of this sickening clause.

www.redonline.co.uk/red-women/news-in-brief/why-the-case-against-repugnant-rape-clause-must-be-heard

I cant imagine how any rape victim would want to fill int the form as it would inform their third child they were conceived by rape.
Apparently there's a backlash against the clause from Catholics, who wont be told to use birth control as its against their religion. Thats one aspect I didnt think of when I heard of it.

The way it was implemented was wholly unfair and underhand. They didn't consult with any of the major charities that operate in the UK, so who did they consult with carefully? The majority of people this will affect will be working families and because of it, women who are perceived as being of the social group that might need to claim these benefits who has a third child will be looked upon as a scrounger and their child a child of rape.

There are no positives to this at all. Apart from the government might save a few bob in order to mitigate the worst economic crash the country will ever experience in 2019 for their equally well off friends.

It's a way of denying these women the exemption while being able to say "well we gave them the chance".

Totally.

*raping

I would imagine very few victims of rape will actually fill in this form. It's a way of denying these women the exemption while being able to say "well we gave them the chance". And what provision is there for women who are victims if control or coercion and still live with their abusers? Are they to say to their partners "yes we still get the CB because I told them you have been taking me"?
The whole thing is a disgrace, a vile Tory manoeuvre to yet again victimise women and children.

Oh, and I'm not sure how it's actually going to be implemented as an organisation such as Women's Aid was proposed as the third party adjudicators - but they have refused to become involved.

It's shocking isn't it? There is a petition if anyone would like to sign:
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/195077

Not sure if it's because of the Sturgeon/Davidson conflict over this issue but most of the signatories (so far) seem to be Scottish.