Big little lies

I finished this series today having not read nook. I had already worked the twist out ny ep3. However, it was only seeing these posts that the murderer's motivation was made clear. what an oversight then for the show.

I did like it, but umcomfotably (as intended) with that overarching doom. Although the DV/rape was hard going so enjoy not the best descriptor.

Isn't that discomfort and pleasure/pain confusion important though? In fact he has effectively trained her to respond to aggression, even when she doesn't want to?

Loved this show, the actors, music & location. It had the style of Hollywood movies & the story was beautiful. Hadn't read the book so I was stunned by the last episode. Also the portrayal of all these women with all their differences who silently came together to overcome a monster. It was spectacular!

I agree it most certainly wasn't "hot sex" but onscreen it had a sexual element that I can imagine would get people excited. Just like The Fall showed a murdered fantastising about his victims in such a way that people could perceive it as sexual. I just think there are other ways of presenting this material onscreen such that there is no sexual gratification angle.

And her desperately holding on to it as proof that he loved her as he was havin sex with her. It took her a while to see it was just his way of controlling her

I didn't see it as hot sex, it started off as rape and I feel she faked it half the time just to appease him. I don't think it was supposed to be seen as hot but rather as another way of him abusing her.

Yes, extraordinaire that's what I should've said.

Yeah I suppose so AntiGrinch. I just have a problem with tv sex sometimes. People are always up against a wall or on the furniture, there is no fore play and always the simultaneous orgasms. It looks difficult . I guess I'd like to see some 'vanilla' sex portrayed sometimes too.

I don't disagree that hot sex is possible in an abusive relationship, only that it was rather voyeuristic to show the hot sex in a way which was very glam, very sexy. It made me uncomfortable and not in a good way.

But you can have hot sex in an abusive relationship. It doesn't stop it being abuse. It is a more complicated story though

Antigrinch I think the show did not go far enough to show that it was just a veneer. The sex scenes were shown to be "hot" and that was a mistake, I think. Was I the only one who did not guess t he twist about paternity?

Celeste's being angry with the therapist for 'saying these things to me'.

"Though all the sex with Celeste and perry was a bit too much for me. " this was uncomfortable, wasn't it? They set this couple up in the opening ep as being the passionate, hot couple that everyone still wants to be. The pair of them are just so physically beautiful and they have this magical house with the incredible sea view. you feel drawn into it all as if the glamour could actually win. And the therapist has to work so hard to get Celeste to understand the reality of her situation.

I haven't seen all of them yet, but ruined it for myself as usual by looking at the episodes on Wikipedia.

I thought the complex way the dv was tackled was great. I. That 1st therapist appointment when he is the one that admits to hitting her was amazing. It really made you think yeah I can see why she stays and thinks he can change because he seems so vunerable.

Though all the sex with Celeste and perry was a bit too much for me. It kind of felt like on the one hand it was saying 'DV is horrible' and on the other hand 'this is the good stuff though isn't it? This is the stuff you wanna see.' It felt too uncomfortable for me.

BrieAndChilli

That aspect of Bonnie wasn't brought out in the show at all. I hadn't realised.

I thought Celeste's taking on responsibility for the violence in the relationship was superbly done- it's passion, I provoke him, I hurt him too, I enjoy it.

Also the way shock and trauma were captured in the silent flashbacks all through it.

And the choice of murderer was exquisite- the person with the greatest balance, respect for harmony and ecology and so on. Possibly the one who would find it hardest to accept what they had done.

The show did not do a good job of explaining buy the murderer murdered the murderee. The only thing I can think of is that the murderer had been considered an annoyance by one of the main characters and so by murdering, they proved themselves to be a good egg. Bit woolly for my liking. And I am trying to avoid spoilers for those who have not seen it.

I loved it, I thought the portrayal of Perry's violence and Celeste's reaction to it was utterly true to life

Apparently there is more explaination as to why the killer (don't want to spoil to those who haven't seen it yet) did it, in the book. Their background isn't explained in the series and I think it should have been.

Grey - that's funny, I saw the first 2 minutes and thought "what the hell music is this?"!!