Do you think some of the driver for "a woman is anyone who says they are a woman" is to do with bad science teaching in the US?

When I was a teenager vagina was a life sentence, we didn't have a get out clause

Why the buggery would I be a mister?

I'm on a feminist board. I'm a woman.

You are hurting your case, is what I'm telling you. Personally, I'm cool with that, as I disagree with most of what you've posted. Have at it, then

SSR24479

What do you want to gain from this? What is your actual issue?

If you're wondering why women and feminists are objecting, I think we've told you why.

I knew I was a woman because I had a vagina.

Not really. You suggested it'd be "weak and pathetic" if women are unable to "defend themselves" against violence. Presumably then you feel women who have been victims of violence are this. Deeply unpleasant.

What? Stop trying so hard

PoochSmooch

I agree with that.

Also there's nothing "anti trans" about wanting to protect women's spaces.

SSR, lovey, I'm not sure this is doing you any good. You seem very, very wound up by this. Maybe time to stop? Because really, your posts are having the opposite effect from what I think you want them to have. The topic is about whether poor scientific education leads to exactly the kind of misunderstandings and misrepresentations that you're producing here. It's coming over like a practical demonstration and I can't imagine that's what you want to achieve..

Being condescending is rude mister

How do you define a trans person SSR?

Not really. You suggested it'd be "weak and pathetic" if women are unable to "defend themselves" against violence. Presumably then you feel women who have been victims of violence are this. Deeply unpleasant.

SSR24479

If you don't want to encroach on the spaces of the opposite sex, if you don't agree with transwomen encroaching on the spaces of women, if you agree wholeheartedly that women's rights should not be accrued to trans-women, then why are you arguing with a bunch of feminists?

Why don't you start a petition, we'll sign it.

I've seen countless trans activists demanding anyone who identifies as a woman be given access to any women's spaces. Even a trans woman who recently opposed this was bombarded with criticism from them.

Don't be surprised when the only people who are heard are the obnoxious extremists.

Please start your campaign for separate trans toilets then. Though you earlier on in this thread called women "weak and pathetic" for fearing male violence if women's spaces weren't protected so I doubt you will.

Keyword in that post: implied. As in, anti trans protesters using 'women are weaker' as an argument against trans women being allowed in restrooms. Good try though.

All trans lobbying in this country is focussed on that goal. That there should be no spaces for biological women. That all current exemptions should be removed.

SSR, lovey, I'm not sure this is doing you any good. You seem very, very wound up by this. Maybe time to stop? Because really, your posts are having the opposite effect from what I think you want them to have. The topic is about whether poor scientific education leads to exactly the kind of misunderstandings and misrepresentations that you're producing here. It's coming over like a practical demonstration and I can't imagine that's what you want to achieve...?

Chromosomes determine biology which determine genitals. It's not three separate things.

We've already established that people can be born with mismatching chromosomes, genitals and biology.

SSR24479 please read back you posts. Can you see that you seem quite incoherent? Unable to argue with facts?

Actually, I'd quite like to go back to the subject of this thread. Amusing as the derail has been, it remains a derail.

Because it's fucking stonewall

Please start your campaign for separate trans toilets then. Though you earlier on in this thread called women "weak and pathetic" for fearing male violence if women's spaces weren't protected so I doubt you will.

Because it's fucking stonewall

Well perhaps you had better take it up with them. Instead of being surprised when people listen to the most famous advocating group for LGBT rights.

I've seen countless trans activists demanding anyone who identifies as a woman be given access to any women's spaces. Even a trans woman who recently opposed this was bombarded with criticism from them.

The whole basis of your argument shifts between 'mental illness' 'genitals define' 'internal biology defines' so actually, figuring out what 'makes a man' is relevant.

Chromosomes determine biology which determine genitals. It's not three separate things.

I'd fight for your right to a separate bathroom. Point me the way to your petition.

YY. Me too. Where do I sign?

The Head of Trans Inclusion at Stonewall doesn't agree.

Because it's fucking stonewall

Trans people don't want to remove the rights of women, we'd be very flattered to be given the right to a separate bathroom.

Um, not according to Rebecca Stimpson, head of trans-inclusion at Stonewall, representing the views of transgender people. It's the very last thing they want. And are campaigning vehemently against it.

"Rebecca Stinson, head of trans inclusion at Stonewall who was quoted in both articles, penned a piece two years ago titled “I’m a TransWoman And I Don’t Want Gender Neutral Toilets”.

*What in heaven's name has that got to do with transgenderism?

We're not talking about hordes of men with ambiguous genitalia. We are talking about people born with very distinct genitalia.*

The whole basis of your argument shifts between 'mental illness' 'genitals define' 'internal biology defines' so actually, figuring out what 'makes a man' is relevant.