Do you think some of the driver for "a woman is anyone who says they are a woman" is to do with bad science teaching in the US?

Well, I'm sure SRS can eventually think their way out of the menopause.

Weird though as this is a parenting site, I'd say the majority of us are still in the "breeding" years. Not that's particularly relevant as of course we will all hopefully eventually knock on wood reach menopause and not take on personality transplants.

I don't understand, we have nothing to fear from men so why not use their toilets?

With that victim blaming comment, your complete refusal to acknowledge the rational fear of male violence and your most recent sexist and ageist comments you've shown up a lot about yourself.

I'm a trans man so I've never experienced any discrimination for appearing female right haha! I obviously hate women and don't understand any everyday fears they have!

"They've seen how aggressively anyone who says anything the slightest bit "wrong" in their eyes is hounded and want to ensure they're not on the wrong side of that."

I agree. Transphobic is the new racist. They;'re so afraid of being called that, even if the accusation has no foundations. Of course, those who were more scared of being called racists than being called shit at their job, caused the Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal . Which is why it's important that people should not fear being called transphobic. Or TERF. Or any other unfounded allegation.

So I'm less convinced by 'Stockholm', and more inclined to sheer fucking cravenness.

Your comment doesn't even make sense, 'believing that it is possible to actually be the opposite sex'

They can dress or live however they want

Which one is it?

It's been clear since this post that SSR doesn't understand the difference between sex and gender or is just being disingenuous.
Since then they have engaged in specious arguments, gaslighting, abusive sexist and disablist language and ad hominem attacks. I don't actually understand why they are still free to post, based on some of what's gone on around here lately.

and start campaigning for separate restroom

OH RIGHT. That's our job too. Like MRAs want us to work for them. Right. How will I ever have the time with all the sandwiches I'm making.

it is curious why this sensitive being is so quick to resort to what they imagine are gendered slurs and insults

GahBuggerit

God knows. But I've certainly taken on board the fact that all I have to do is watch my kid do karate to alleviate all my menopausal symptoms. Result!

< phones up GMC immediately>

Actually, if male violence isn't about socialisation (because there's no such thing, we either have woman or man brains) are you saying SRS that you identify as violent? (because you have a man brain)

so YOUR fear of men is legitimate,

Eh? But your logic says I'm still a female regardless, I'm not actually a man right? Contrary to popular belief I don't actually know male privilege very well and my 'fear' (which you've dramatised) is due to being raised female, just like you? I've never said trans women have to be allowed in any bathroom they demand. I have said that people like you need to get a grip and stop mindlessly shit talking and debating about how horrible these potential predators are, and start campaigning for separate restrooms. Because that can actually happen if you stopped being so fucking childish.

SSR

You're like an angry cat in a big right now.

You guys always say you have nothing against trans people but :/

u ok hun

Don't you all know? Only trans people are ever at risk of anything ever. they're the only group to deal with male violence (even the males and those THAT WANT TO BE MEN) MH, suicide, feeling bad about their body. It's only trans people.

Fuck me i actually don't know where to begin answering that rambling reply.

Interesting though that you are slagging women off for being fearful of men in their spaces (toilets for arguments sake), while saying you are....er....Fearful of going into men's toilets.

Not a housewife btw, or menopausal, were the supposed to be insults or something? [Confused]

I do pass for the men's toilet, but they still see me as a little bitch

Do you mean they see you as an effeminate man? Or they think you are an effeminate gay man?

My words about women's victimisation was a very valid point about the hypocrisy of TERF's.

With that victim blaming comment, your complete refusal to acknowledge the rational fear of male violence and your most recent sexist and ageist comments you've shown up a lot about yourself.

Why must we be forced to collude in a delusion?

You guys always say you have nothing against trans people but :/

Why do they keep thinking it though? What's their gain?

I could be wrong but perhaps it's slight peer pressure and, on social media at least, fear of being branded a "TERF" or saying anything which might anger the TRAs. They've seen how aggressively anyone who says anything the slightest bit "wrong" in their eyes is hounded and want to ensure they're not on the wrong side of that. I'm only speculating of course as I too struggle to fully comprehend why so many now toe the line on this.

so YOUR fear of men is legitimate, but women's fear of men is self-victimisation? So you don't pass for male in the men's toilet, but women immediately read you as male?

^^This.

*so YOUR fear of men is legitimate, but women's fear of men is self-victimisation? So you don't pass for male in the men's toilet, but women immediately read you as male?

Mmmm. Sure.*

I do pass for the men's toilet, but they still see me as a little bitch, which I can't be bothered with.

My words about women's victimisation was a very valid point about the hypocrisy of TERF's.

VestalVirgin

Why do they keep thinking it though? What's their gain?

They must frequently clear hear arguments to the contrary, but still carry on regardless.

I get it, you're all housewives that don't get out much but maybe you should go to karate classes with your kids to sort out your menopausal emotions.

why bother arguing with us if we are just stupid menopausal housewives? If we are truly of no consequence how could our agreement that anyone who says they are is a woman be necessary? Why must we be forced to collude in a delusion?

Careful love, your slip is showing

Who is doing the beating up? Men.

Who is demanding access to women's spaces? Men

Nice bit of ageism and sexism there. Let's leave that right there, shall we?

We go into a men's room, get beat up

so YOUR fear of men is legitimate, but women's fear of men is self-victimisation? So you don't pass for male in the men's toilet, but women immediately read you as male?

Mmmm. Sure.

Hmm, probably a combination of societal grooming to centre men and prioritize men in everything, combined with an excuse to centre men even in feminism, and the pressure (here Stockholm Syndrome comes in) to conform to the most powerful opinion.