Do you think some of the driver for "a woman is anyone who says they are a woman" is to do with bad science teaching in the US?

SSR24479

Your posts are quite goady, rude and use specious arguments.

However, no one thinks that gender dysphoria doesn't exist. Everyone knows it's crippling.

It should be treated with any means possible, including surgery if it alleviates the symptoms.

But a man having gender dysphoria is not the definition of a woman.

There is also no way to make a distinction between a man with gender dysphoria and a cross dressing fetishist.

It is also your common or garden cross dresser who stands to gain the most from making this argument political.

Women say no thanks.

You can't redefine the word woman and we don't want to open our doors to every perv in the land in order to validate a handful of transsexuals.

It's a very simple argument.

Leave women alone and we will support you. Go after us and we won't.

Excluding trans people from where? I have no problem with TM in the bathrooms with me. Also like with CIS I don't want to be defined by something I'm not and something I don't believe in.

You might as well call me a Santa Denier.

Tediously explaining reality to fuckwits

Has this man changed species or merely modified some parts of his body to appear catlike?

Definitely Plunkette !

It's actually a big problem for me now as I'm passing two primary schools to take my children to school to avoid them going to a religious school here in the UK. It's incredibly difficult for an American who went through the public school system to get their head around that and the lack of school buses

I don't think trans people should experience discrimination either, but I don't think that acknowledging that changing biological sex is impossible equates to discrimination, and I won't collude in a massive Orwellian experiment. Plus you are a goady fucker, read up the arguments which have been made countless times and goodbye.

Define what 'changing biological sex' is.

I'll ignore your last sentence. take some breaths, don't lose your temper now.

That's the second TERF, which is an offensive term. Reported.

And how do you think that should be implemented?

I think TERF's should get a grip and being so generally horrible to the trans community as if we're all child molesters out to get them. It's simply immoral. Then when they realise that there's actually a difference between the two, they'll be a little more understanding.

Datun from the few extreme religious families I've encountered and I mean the "dinosaurs didn't exist, the Bible is literally true" type, being gay is a sin and abomination. There isn't a way past it, it will never be accepted.

Trans, or "being born in the wrong body" isn't expressly forbidden and seems to be a way around it as far as I can see...

I'm not a weak and pathetic creature, I'm a woman who understands and has experienced being oppressed and discriminated against under patriarchy (due to belonging to the sex class female) and who is opposed to the loss of rights won by my feminist foremothers. At the moment the trans rights agenda appears to directly conflict with the interests of women. I don't think trans people should experience discrimination either, but I don't think that acknowledging that changing biological sex is impossible equates to discrimination, and I won't collude in a massive Orwellian experiment. Plus you are a goady fucker, read up the arguments which have been made countless times and goodbye.

And how do you think that should be implemented?

Erm, just to poke my nose in on behalf of American teachers...

My DC are currently attending a state elementary school in Texas.

The science teaching is excellent. Far, far superior to what they were receiving in their (excellent) British school.

They have a dedicated, fully equipped science Laboratory within the school and the children do practical experiments as well as learn theory.

My DC haven't heard a prayer in school or sung a hymn in school since they left the UK.

MNers need to be more careful but saying "Americans do this" or "Americans believe this".

It's a huge country and there are massive differences between states.

Men will not turn into women just for the asking at any time. It's really not just a matter of being less small minded . It cannot happen.

Damn. If you'd have told me that when I was 10 my life would be so much easier! Thanks for blowing my mind with your intellect.

As a woman, what are your suggestions for keeping autogynephiles away from women and children's intimate spaces? Do you agree with India Willoughby that there should be a distinction between them and transsexuals, and that they should not be included under the trans umbrella?

That's exactly what I've been saying.

Men will not turn into women just for the asking at any time. It's really not just a matter of being less small minded . It cannot happen.

I'm not old ssr, I still understand how babies are made. My 5 year old does.

SSR24479

As a woman, what are your suggestions for keeping autogynephiles away from women and children's intimate spaces? Do you agree with India Willoughby that there should be a distinction between them and transsexuals, and that they should not be included under the trans umbrella?

SSR- er, what part of my post did you interpret as that I "would rather my child was dead"?  What a ridiculous and callous reply, do you have children? I don't lie to my girls. I tell them the truth- You can wear masculine or feminine clothing, you can climb trees, have long or short hair, put on makeup or never wear any. You can be amazing at science and maths. None of these things makes you male or female. That ship has sailed at conception.

A child having the courage to come out to their parent, who they trust and love more than anyone in the world, only to be turned away, is not going to be happy. Easy enough to comprehend, you already know the rates of trans suicides are absolutely through the roof.

Interesting ferdinand. I've read that about the money before. It's interesting how the point of view being expounded in political and media lobbying is trickling down into discourse on discussion boards and the "acceptable" line in the public view. I always thought public opinion was more bottom up than top down. Shame the same trickle down effect doesn't work with wealth really

I'd say gay rights went from the top down definitely in the media, but again you have a liberal artsy side that has always been seen as gay friendly. Broadway runs on glitter power

I think the same could be said regarding the civil rights movement as well.

It's must be so hard living in denial that times are changing and people are becoming less smallminded and more open. It's going to happen whether you like it or not, I don't see the point in fighting if you know you're only going to get shunned (and disowned from your families) for your views. Do some yoga or something and stop being miserable old bastards, you're holding us back from progressing.

The OP sounds plausible, a trans child seems easier to come to terms with than a gay one for some religious folk.

I understand that is the perceived wisdom, but why is that? Discrimination is rife in both communities. Why would one be better than the other?

SSR- er, what part of my post did you interpret as that I "would rather my child was dead"? What a ridiculous and callous reply, do you have children? I don't lie to my girls. I tell them the truth- You can wear masculine or feminine clothing, you can climb trees, have long or short hair, put on makeup or never wear any. You can be amazing at science and maths. None of these things makes you male or female. That ship has sailed at conception.

Is this a mermaids bot? With their inflated suicide stats based on bad data and not mentioning a desistance rate of 80% that makes transitioning children look like gay conversion therapy?

The OP sounds plausible, a trans child seems easier to come to terms with than a gay one for some religious folk.