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What does feminism mean for you?

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WelshMoth · 04/04/2017 20:21

Just that really. I've always had feminist 'roots' but stupidly don't know how to put it into words.

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WelshMoth · 04/04/2017 22:34

Another request - what good reading matter can I direct a strong 15 year old towards?

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WelshMoth · 04/04/2017 22:13

Thanks Vestal.

The liberation bit seems incredibly utopian to me though.

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VestalVirgin · 04/04/2017 21:41

And if I'm honest, I have trouble understanding the difference between equality and liberation.

Imagine that there's two monkeys in two cages, and one monkey has a banana.

Equality would mean to give the other monkey a banana too - or take away the one banana.

Liberation means opening the cage.

With the cage opened, both monkeys would be equally free, but they could also be made equal while remaining in the cage.

This is not meant to be a metaphor for patriarchy, but hopefully it explains the difference.

WelshMoth · 04/04/2017 21:17

And if I'm honest, I have trouble understanding the difference between equality and liberation. I've watched Peachy's video, but can someone give some more examples
Please.

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WelshMoth · 04/04/2017 20:51

Thanks everyone. I want to be able to raise my DD's to be strong women. They're still only 11 and 8 but I want to be able to explain things in a language they understand.

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DJBaggySmalls · 04/04/2017 20:51

My starting point is equality. We have that in law but not reality. Its the thing people find easiest to accept.
But really, I'm a radical feminist. The whole of society is set up and run by men, from their viewpoint and for their benefit. Peachyoghurt gives a good description;

Society is now based around men and politics, not people and their families. For example;
The recent video of a man being interviewed on TV and his children walk into his study; his panic stricken wife then pulls them out. That situation was ridiculous.
Someone made a parody and it was called sexist.

metro.co.uk/2017/03/17/how-a-woman-would-have-reacted-to-kids-gatecrashing-her-bbc-interview-6515162/

On Twitter recently, someone asked if religion was the root of homophobia and most people responded yes it was. I responded no, men are the root of homophobia and got called out as sexist. One person said the most savage homophobic remarks they had encountered came from women,
But what world religion is set up and run by women, or treats them as equals? And how many women are physically violent?

Society is becoming more fascistic, less caring and more violent. Thats a problem. The people driving it cant see where they are heading, and assume it will all be in their favour.
We are also destroying our natural resources.
This is why I'm a radical feminist.

ladyballs · 04/04/2017 20:39

Liberation.

AssassinatedBeauty · 04/04/2017 20:35

I agree with Vestal. I also think there's a difference between what the objective of feminism is, and the methods of how to achieve that.

0phelia · 04/04/2017 20:35

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0phelia · 04/04/2017 20:34

I'd say liberation rather than equality, because equality under patriarchy means very little. Liberation from patriarchy means rather a lot.

VestalVirgin · 04/04/2017 20:33

I have often seen feminism described as a movement aiming to liberate women from patriarchal oppression.

I like that description better than ones that involve "equality", partly because some people seem to think it is equality if women are treated the same as men in everything, which is clearly nonsense (men not being allowed to have abortions doesn't make it any better that women don't have that right, for example), and partly because even with a more sensible approach that results in the same quality of life for women that men take for granted, it implies that women should do the same shit men do, like exploiting third world countries (and ultimately the women there) to get that same life quality.

isthistoonosy · 04/04/2017 20:25

Equality

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