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Beat THIS for an answer to the question "what is a woman?"

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SerfnTerf · 04/04/2017 16:57

First answer: "A woman is someone who is identified as a woman. That's why people say it's socially constructed"

Me Confused "But that's circular. There must be a definition of what a woman is for anyone to identify or be identified as one"

Second answer: "If you give any definition of a woman, there are people who you could identify as "a woman" and who anyone on the street would say - "That's a woman" - and they would not fit that definition"

So... what, we can't define woman because we can't actually define the word in a way that encompasses men? So let's not bother? I don't have enough words or brain to take that any further. Just wow.

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AllMyBestFriendsAreMetalheads · 05/04/2017 12:42

"A woman is someone who is identified as a woman."

That doesn't work within the ideology though. That sounds like it's saying a TW who doesn't pass isn't a woman, because they wouldn't be 'identified' as a woman. Using the word identified implies that it's other people who define whether an individual is a woman, rather than the individual themselves.

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xStefx · 05/04/2017 12:35

Zazies, You can come into my pouch, I would love to have a kitten in my pouch as I love kittens. (its not the cute , fluffy, paws, whiskers and meowing I love) just the fact that you identify as one.

People laugh at me when I tell them im a kangaroo! its awful. Actually I should sue them!!!! Im so glad someone understands :-)

ZaziesPaws · 05/04/2017 12:23

Oh xStefx you sound lovely. Can I jump in your pouch? Then I could be a kitten who identifies as a marsupial. You'll need not to mention that I can't nurture young in a pouch, because my marsupial-kitten feelings will be hurt if I am erased for my non-pouch bearing status.

You also cannot oppress me with a "pouch ceiling" to unfairly keep me out of your pouch. It is my constitutional right to get in your pouch. At all times it is also your duty to make sure I am never ever upset by my lack of a pouch.

How you choose to let me in your pouch without also at the same time reminding I don't have a pouch and upsetting me is TOTALLY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. Don't ask me for guidance EDUCATE YOURSELF AND CHECK YOUR POUCH PRIVILEGE YOU CIS-AROO. Burn in fire you MERK (Marsupial-kitten Erasing Radical Kangaroo)

And it is my right to keep my claws and whiskers too, I don't want top or bottom surgery to remove either but you must never ask me about them, even if my claws scratch your pouch or my whiskers tickle it.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/04/2017 12:16

It's just make me feel good isn't it??

That and catnip.

CoolJazz · 05/04/2017 12:13

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xStefx · 05/04/2017 11:56

Ive been identifying as a kangaroo now for the past 12 months. I hop around everywhere and try to help people in trouble.

What pisses me off the most is people assuming my name is skippy!

All this "identifying as" has gone to far.. cant people just like what they like and be happy with how they were born! Fusksake

paddypants13 · 05/04/2017 11:40

I would make an excellent cat. Snoozing in the sun all day, pestering human slaves for food and being fussed over and adored. (Well the cats I know are.)

Please use my preferred pronoun, her royal meowness.

ZaziesPaws · 05/04/2017 11:32

DH has been very supportive of my identification as a kitten.

He strokes my fur every night, buys me all the crayfish and salmon I want and laughs when I pounce on him from behind the sofa.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/04/2017 11:09

Or just redefine cat as adult human female who goes to work, walks the dog, takes kids swimming, drinks wine, but just feels like a cat

Ah OK, but does that not spoil the fun? I thought the whole point of the exercise was lying in the sun all day and having food on demand?

CoolJazz · 05/04/2017 10:58

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/04/2017 09:51

I might start identifying as a cat. That could be fun - lie around all day, go everywhere at my own pace, suit myself at all times. I'm terrified of mice though. On reflection I would be a shit cat

Simply redefine 'cat' as an entity that is afraid of mice. Simples. You're welcome.

Daddy1233 · 05/04/2017 02:11

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PerspicaciaTick · 05/04/2017 01:21

Which is to be the master? Clearly not women.

venusinscorpio · 05/04/2017 01:20

On reflection I would be a shit cat

They're not particularly convincing as women. Go for it!

Barcoo2 · 05/04/2017 01:03

I identify as a gay Iranian refugee. All those cis refugees don't know how lucky they are to be locked up on Nauru. Any mention of their so called oppression is literally erasing me.

SerfnTerf · 04/04/2017 22:54

I might encourage the cat to identify as a vegetarian pacifist. The local small wildlife population would be ever so grateful.

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paddypants13 · 04/04/2017 22:15

We have an expression to cover this in Yorkshire, which is "tha what?"

Roughly translated it means, whilst I understand the words you say, I cannot comprehend your meaning.

And if being a woman means going up in the loft to dig out the Christmas decs then I identify as the aforementioned cat. Grin

SerfnTerf · 04/04/2017 22:03

PoochSmooch that's pretty much exactly how I feel about the second answer. I know what each individual word means and I just about follow the sentence structure but the actual meaning completely escapes me Confused

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Obsidian77 · 04/04/2017 21:37

I might decide to self-identify as a doctor...doesn't mean I should be allowed to treat patients.

SomeDyke · 04/04/2017 21:33

"SomeDyke Are you now defining a woman as by being able to hang baubles on her bush "

And a gay man would (of course) need to hang baubles and fairy lights on his.................

My, next Christmas is going to be an eye-popper at our house! Grin

Bue · 04/04/2017 21:26

It's as nonsensical as me declaring that I typing this post on my hippopotamus.

annandale · 04/04/2017 21:15

'Woman' is not socially constructed and there are no 'people' who say that 'it' is.

whoputthecatout · 04/04/2017 21:12

Second answer: "If you give any definition of a woman, there are people who you could identify as "a woman" and who anyone on the street would say - "That's a woman" - and they would not fit that definition"

That reminds me of the rather ancient Eric Morecombe/Andre Previn sketch at the piano. "I am playing the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order."

MariafromMalmo · 04/04/2017 20:52

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