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How can I reconnect with feminism?

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Chemicalromance · 03/04/2017 12:48

Sorry for any mistakes-this is my first thread and I'm using the appSmile

Im in my very early twenties, and I really struggle to connect with the feminist movement. I'm absolutely pro-equality and ensuring the global rights for women, but my experiences have left me feeling uncomfortable about calling myself a "feminist".

When I was at school, women's issues and feminism were never discussed, so my first awareness of the movement came from websites like Tumblr and EverydaySexism. These websites were quite radical, and I struggled to identify with issues such as 'man spreading', 'mansplaining' and the general man-hating subculture that seemed to be present. It felt to me like a group of quite privileged, fortunate western women looking for reasons to complain despite there being so many serious women's issues to deal with around the world, and there was a lot of talk about the western world supporting "rape culture", which I don't believe to be true, so I grew up feeing like feminism wasn't for me.

When I got to university, I attempted to get involved in the feminism society, but found that most of the events/talks centred around 'trans liberation', 'micro aggressions' and trigger warnings/banning topics or events that might be triggering. When an infamous male misogynist was scheduled to have a talk at the university, I was excited at the opportunity it would open for a real debate on gender and equality, but the feminist society held a rally and protest that ended up causing the visit to be cancelled, which I felt was a waste of a good opportunity and probably not a great move in terms of free speech. I eventually left the society when I was openly mocked at an event about future ambitions for saying that I would like to be a young mother. Over time, I completely stopped calling myself a feminist or having anything to do with the feminist movement.

Recently, I've discovered Hannah Witton's youtube channel, and although I don't agree with everything she says, I have found her videos talking about sex, relationships, women's bodies and what it means to be a woman to be really interesting and encouraging. I've been inspired to read more books and interact with more information about feminism and women's issues, and I really want to start reconnecting with my own female identity and feeling proud to be a woman again.

The only problem is that I really don't know where to start. Can anyone recommend some influential women, works or materials that I can look into, or tell me some of the things that make them proud of being a woman and a feminist?

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FerdinandsRevenge · 04/04/2017 17:27

Now, Ferdinand, which of those two scenarios do you honestly think is more likely, consideration towards non trans women reading, or a "no boring cises here" policy?a

Actually there's a third possibility, the cissies were so right on they eventually realised they must be 'non binary'

smashedinductionhob · 04/04/2017 16:48

I am really enjoying a recent bio of Mary Wollstonecroft. Thinking about her is getting me through Brexit.

I think she is my all time hero/heroine/whatever.

What I like about historical viewpoints is that they help you see later things in context. So, for instance, we usually sneer at Dickens novels where the most shocking thing that can happen is for a rich woman to be assaulted whereas poor women are assaulted all the time without much comment. But then you look 50 years back and you realise that the Victorians were making progress (of a sort) compared with Wollstonecroft's time.

I find a historical context useful too when I look at offputting technical language/theories. Most theories are easier to understand if you figure out what it is they are reacting against/trying to refine.

venusinscorpio · 04/04/2017 16:42

It is narcissism writ large.

Incidentally, do EF do a "Healing from Toxic Femaleness to Better Centre Transwomen" course? They should.

Atenco · 04/04/2017 16:20

It really is Orwellian isn't it? "Everyday Feminism" is neither feminism nor everyday stuff.

DJBaggySmalls · 04/04/2017 15:53

Has anyone taken their course to heal from their toxic whiteness?

How can I reconnect with feminism?
ProcrastinatingSquid2 · 04/04/2017 15:24

"The total lack of mention of the woman who would actually become pregnant is genuinely chilling, as you say."

It really is. It's this denial of basic facts in favour of this illusion of and desire for womanhood. Same as trans women getting pissed because vaginas and uteruses were focussed on at the women's march.

It's weird because they defend their use of words like 'woman' and 'pregnant' and 'biological' by claiming they're just widening the definition, and all language changes and evolves etc. And yet the reason they're using these words is because they want the original definition applied to them... If being pregnant genuinely meant contributing sperm, they wouldn't be interested in claiming to be pregnant. They want the original meaning to be applied to them, but when challenged because it can't apply to them, there's all this twisting and broadening to get it to fit.

Datun · 04/04/2017 14:57

venusinscorpio

That entire thing is a misogynistic narcissists wet dream. It just screams nutjob.

It seems EF is run by and for transwomen.

Can anyone tell me if it was always like that? Has it been hijacked, or was it started with that purpose in mind?

AssassinatedBeauty · 04/04/2017 14:53

"and become pregnant"... really not what happens is it? The total lack of mention of the woman who would actually become pregnant is genuinely chilling, as you say. Women are just incubators.

venusinscorpio · 04/04/2017 14:47

Handmaid's Tale.

venusinscorpio · 04/04/2017 14:47

What this means is that trans women who stop taking HRT for a few months can reverse sterilization and become pregnant with viable sperm.

I find this piece utterly chilling. Because you know there is an invisible female surrogate involved who isn't mentioned, even that she is the body being made pregnant, gestating and giving birth. Not the males.

venusinscorpio · 04/04/2017 14:41

Mind you it has improved as I've done this before and they had a few people who identifies as "cis" so either they realised people hate the term and stopped using it or they got rid of them.

Now, Ferdinand, which of those two scenarios do you honestly think is more likely, consideration towards non trans women reading, or a "no boring cises here" policy? Grin

IfNotNowThenWhenever · 04/04/2017 12:56

And yeah, the EF Pan-Faith Agnostic-Curious Winter Holiday Gathering. Fun!

IfNotNowThenWhenever · 04/04/2017 12:54

And [men]don't want to. They either don't understand that they have to, don't want to, or think it's up to women to do it

No, in the main they don't want to.
I guess because deep down they know that if they make themselves financially and emotionally more vulnerable, they might get taken advantage of.
Because, however much men might protest that women have nothing to moan about, they know full well we got the shitty end of the stick.

FerdinandsRevenge · 04/04/2017 12:47

Nutjobs. Can you imagine the Christmas party?
urgh. Do I have to?

FerdinandsRevenge · 04/04/2017 12:45

I think by "reproductive justice" they mean women's reproductive rights, as in being able to end our pregnancy safely, or not be pregnant in the first place (which are issues women face in the states).

Those should be put aside for peen problems. Obviously. Reproductive help for women who can't afford it is on no one's radar.

MercyMyJewels · 04/04/2017 12:43

"you might not wonder why there's no fucking feminism on their feminist page. It's all men or people who want to be men."

Beautifully put Ferd
Nutjobs. Can you imagine the Christmas party?

CoteDAzur · 04/04/2017 12:39

And why in Earth would we feel the need to "center transwomen" in our quest for an elusive quest for "reproductive justice" even if such a concept actually existed?

It doesn't btw, as anyone who has TTCed and failed can confirm.

CoteDAzur · 04/04/2017 12:36

Ferdinand's link Shock

I shouldn't laugh at other people's painful delusions but I properly guffawed at this person saying it was possible for a transwoman to get pregnant because their sperm was found to be viable.

No, you dimwit. That person produces sperm amd has male genitalia. There is no way in this world or next that they will be pregnant with that sperm or any other, because they don't have the necessary organs and that is why only women can ever get pregnant. Not men. Not transwomen.

And that is not hate speech, transphobia, or whatever pearl-clutchy faux-indignant nonsense you will come up because you can't bear to hear basic biology.

It is basic biology.

BertrandRussell · 04/04/2017 12:32

"fatherhood has to be valued too, not in the traditional way, but as a caring role that men prioritise."
Absolutely. The frustrating thing about being a feminist is that in some ways women have done everything they can- men now have to do their bit. And they don't want to. They either don't understand that they have to, don't want to, or think it's up to women to do it. Men could, for example, stop hitting women, stop using prostitutes, stop using porn and start taking on a reasonable share of childcare and housrhold tasks now. Today. 12.31 on April 4, 2017.

FerdinandsRevenge · 04/04/2017 12:24

Don't they just sound like the actual worst people to be stuck at a party with?

FerdinandsRevenge · 04/04/2017 12:22

It's real, they just think they're being clever with it. And unless you really pay attention to who is writing for that publication you might not wonder why there's no fucking feminism on their feminist page. It's all men or people who want to be men.

Oh also THIS is EF in a nut shell.

everydayfeminism.com/2015/11/trans-women-reproductive-justice/

IfNotNowThenWhenever · 04/04/2017 12:14

Thank You Ferdinands
Wow.
Is that...real? Or satire??
It seems to me like rampant individualism gone haywire, all this identifying as whatever you feel like that seems to be what passes for politics these days. My feminism is definitely more rooted in the actual everyday.

Thinking about what Joan said about motherhood/feminism. I think that when you have babies and toddlers something does kick in that speaks to the maternal being in you, and makes it feel OK when you stay home being all nurturing., Thing is, that does (ime) wear off somewhat, and you look around ten years later and wonder why all the men your age are so much richer than you..
I think the best thing for women is a value placed on the men's parenting, and an expectation that men will take time off, go part-time, clean up vomit etc. Yes, motherhood is a bond between women, and that's lovely, but fatherhood has to be valued too, not in the traditional way, but as a caring role that men prioritise. That would be my ideal anyway (yeah keep dreaming !) Grin

scallopsrgreat · 04/04/2017 12:00

Going back to street harassment - this is a really good blog post from Sian Norris about how 'minor' street harassment isn't that minor at all and how it can change the way you think, the way you act, your self-confidence and how women's worlds become a lot narrower.

On being a woman, on her own, at night

Sweat the small stuff.

FerdinandsRevenge · 04/04/2017 11:38

Now, what's missing? go one I'll give you one guess.

Beachcomber · 04/04/2017 11:38

finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/rape-culture-101/

Rape culture is the myriad ways in which rape is tacitly and overtly abetted and encouraged having saturated every corner of our culture so thoroughly that people can’t easily wrap their heads around what the rape culture actually is.

Chemicalromance, you have demonstrated rape culture in action on this very thread by your dismissing of its existence in the UK.

You might want to think about that.

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