Nordic Model on the Big Questions tomorrow

Max very good post.

I agree laura

NC seems lovely but by christ some of his guests

Been lurking but just had to massively Head Thump Down to Desk at the orgasm comment made by GEA

To whoverer thought that ODFOD is a good reaction to someone asking a question -

How do you know i don't have a disability? Or care for someone that does, who would find it very difficult to have a loving relationship despite very much wanting to? Yes I do realise this doesn't apply to everyone with a disbaility but it does to some.

I disagree with you, I do think that decriminalisation is the way forward and I also get frustrated when nobody mentions poverty or austerity (cuts directly affect 80% of women, many of whom are mothers). A lot of single mothers go into prostitution because that's the only way they can feed and clothe themselves and their children. If people disagree with prostitution do they also fight back against the cuts that directly impact on some of the most vulnerable women who may have to go into sex work to survive?

Oopsy

Bold fail

Very misnamed than *genderequalityadvocate"

Oh dear, so you are ruling out men then. Bit discrimatory Gender? I wonder how many prostitutes don't really fancy the sex they have with men. Apparently though, that doesn't matter.

I think you should give it a try. Find out what it's like to be penetrated by an unwanted client. Who knows, it might even teach you some empathy. Nah, doubt empathy is your thing really. Entitlement sounds more your style.

That's true in theory Rufus. But of course prostitutes can't always pick and choose can they? Perhaps he might be fancied by a 6ft 6 inch muscle man built like a brick shithouse....now that would be interesting.

The would simply be like the prostitutes he fancies who might not fancy him, but, as he says, it the only way they have to earn a living and he's doing them a favour after all.

I would like nothing more than to be a male escort to women only and it would fit with my fear of commitment but slutty behaviour.

Alas I am grounded by reality and realise that I would never make ends meet. I will keep to the usual day job

No of course they don't, but I wouldn't completely rule out an idiot like that social worker contacting a prostitute informally. I'm not saying it did happen, just that I think it more unlikely than impossible.

And yes, complete idiot. Aside from not having actually read the articles in the convention on human rights, they're assuming it's better to sleep with a prostitute in Amsterdam than England because Amsterdam prostitutes are somehow more protected?!

who

I have a feeling gender would only want female clients, in which case they would be bang out of luck

No Max, that is not the same. The social worker in that case is an idiot. Having sex is not a human right.

That case involves using grant money to take the person to Amsterdam. The sad little man on here is trying to suggest disability discrimination rules apply. They don't.

Still don't believe you. In the unlikely event this happened , still wrong

Nothing makes me as happy as sex.

Well, you saw the solution further the thread. Become a prostitute and rent yourself out. Give your orifices that happy feeling. Lots of sex, you get paid and you don't have to waste your money on a date. Win, win.

Actually I do believe Gender's story. It strikes me as exactly the kind of thing a council worker would do.

Sorry for DM link but Councils have gone as far as to fund disabled people's purchase of prostitutes. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303273/Councils-pay-disabled-visit-prostitutes-lap-dancing-clubs.html

If I can make the sex worker orgasm is that still exploitative?
Eeewwww.
Yes. Orgasm is neither here nor there. You are paying someone who would not fuck you ordinarily. If she comes, that means nothing at all other than she wanted an orgasm. To her you may as well be a vibrator.
I expect most of the time it's faked anyway.

I do like to be polite on mumsnet

gender please go forth in a stream of yellow fluid

gender they don't enjoy having sex with you. Don't kid yourself.

Maybe it is because she is down with HMRC as an "alternative therapist". So a legitimate business but he was clear that he wanted sex

And I agree with Quentin - bullshit

Well put Maximilian. Does that rule out ever paying for sex?

As someone who pays I am of the opinion that with the right sex provider, sex can be beneficial to both parties. If I can make the sex worker orgasm is that still exploitative?

Max. I agree it is really offensive to rope in people with physical disabilities in this way to attempt to validate prostitution.

They just asked politely. Clearly they could not put any kind of pressure

Prostitution is pacta illicita. They should have politely told him to fuck off. They should never have considered his claim. They have no obligation to.

Interestingly I know one sex worker who was contacted by a deaf guy about sex. She replied saying she was not comfortable with a guy who could not hear her say no, so he contacted the local council and reported her for discrimination. The council called her up and took his side. They seemed to think he had the same right to a sex life.
Ooh my big hairy chin.
What absolute steaming bullshit

As a disable person:

• Disabled people have a right to a sexual identity, but not a right to sex. We have no less of a responsibility to not exploit people than non-disabled people

• Some disabled sex buyers need carers with them at certain times or all the time. The carer is thus forced to participate against their will in a sexual situation, as they HAVE to watch the sexual intercourse if the disabled person cannot be left unattended. This is wholly unacceptable.

• Some prostitutes who have seen clients with a learning disability (payed for the clients family) have expressed concerns that the client was too intellectually disabled to consent to sex. This is also unacceptable.

• Disabled people deserve better than to be discussed in a way that suggests we are so unattractive and unloveable that no one would want us as a sexual partner unless we payed them.