Nordic Model on the Big Questions tomorrow

By the way Dervel, I thought it was really, really nice of you to offer to help him.

I've just read this thread with a sort of disbelieving, ghastly fascination.

The level of self delusion and self deceit is shocking. I almost feel like I've a dissected a frog

From the name GenderEqualityAdvocate, to the desperate justification using faux concern for the women, to the utter misconception that transactional sex is mitigated by the goal of giving a (completely imaginery) orgasm, to the fond fantasy that any and all reactions of these women is not expressly dictated by the understanding of payment and/or repeat business (except in those cases where they have turned you down for having the bloody brass neck to bore them to death before you ask for a fuck).

Mate, keep your sex addiction to yourself and get off a feminist forum. Ask your doctor for help as soon as you can.

You don't have to pay your friends to talk to you or to hang out with you for an hour.

Oh, I wouldn't be so sure.

He's very annoying, so might not have any real friends, and there's this agency in Japan where you can hire a fake friend ... but I think they are only there for photos, not talking or activities.

Go to www.insideoutsidescotland.info and read the voices of women currently in exited from the sex industry. They have no agenda or business model to defend. They want punters held responsible for the harm they cause.

You know that scenario comes up. Women who you have seen before will politely turn you down when you phone them up again.

You respect their choice and move on. It has happened with one woman I had seen on 4-5 occassions and shared endless messages with. There comes a point where they want to cut you off and you just respect that.

Yes, I agree Mercy. Perhaps his card got declined.

Please stop engaging with the arsehole. He's clearly getting off on it

And yes, I would be only too delighted to see you in arrested and charged. Bring it on

The point, GEA, is that you're only interested in what you want. If the woman you're using happens to enjoy it too then as far as you're concerned that's by-the-by. You would use a prostitute whether or not she finds it enjoyable.

If you asked, and a woman was able to say to you (without fear or worry of the consequences), that actually what she'd find enjoyable would be for you not to have sex and for you to leave immediately, would you still pay her and do as she asks?

I have had this conversation with sex workers and asked them if they genuinely get off and they look at me with a sense of disbelief. Of course they do. You are paying them to have that reaction. It is an unequal conversation.

Beachcomber is right. Only a narcissist could believe this shit.

It does sound like it, Rufus.

My own exclusive pleasure????

I have had this conversation with sex workers and asked them if they genuinely get off and they look at me with a sense of disbelief.

They told me that if guys come in doing certain things and rubbing them in certain ways then they are not robots and will orgasm and enjoy the sex. That is some women. Some actually enjoy the work, they like multiple sex partners and could never settle down with one man. They are similarly as fixated with sex.

sex workers have told me that I talk too much and that other guys are silent and just want to fuck

I think the above isnt a complment from the ladies concerned

Its a plea for help

You are not paying attention to anyone elses posts

Or commenting on their points

You are just talking about yourself, what you do and making stuff up

I think you may be boring those ladies senseless...

You are living in your own little fantasy world to justify what you do. Your posts demonstrate that you have no empathy or ability to see women as full human beings. They are only there because you are paying them. It is not an equal partnership, it is not a friendship. You don't have to pay your friends to talk to you or to hang out with you for an hour.

You have nothing valid to add to the debate. You simply want continued access to women's bodies to use for your own gratification. You have no genuine desire to change or improve the situation of prostitutes as then you wouldn't be able to do what you want to do.

For other people, men and women, we are able to compartmentalise different human activities and cut off emotion driven reactions and just get a kick out of no strings attached sex. Sex with a complete stranger does not always have to be scary.

Believe it or not you're not the only person on this thread to have had no strings sex with a stranger. Exploiting people by purchasing their consent and having them service you for your own exclusive pleasure is something very different.

You people really have no idea. On the average meeting you do not just get your dick out and start pounding away. You do as any other strangers would do when thrown together. You chat you make small talk, you joke, you find common interests.

Within that 30 minutes to 1 hour you try to strike up a friendship.

Now maybe this is me and sex workers have told me that I talk too much and that other guys are silent and just want to fuck but it is not all just anonymous and cold sex.

It is like a one night stand on fast forward. Sex compressed into a much shorter time frame. Like getting a ready meal as opposed to taking an hour to prepare an evening meal.

This is the society we live in. Instant gratification and less time and energy spent on the process of getting there. Consumerism is the new religion and buying and selling sex are all caught up in that addiction and need for self gratification. It is a social illness but God knows how you people can put the brakes on it

Beach I think this is maybe something that you fail to grasp. Not all punters are completely unattractive to women.

Give me strength.

I don't want punters criminalized because I think they are physically unattractive to women.

FFS

Not all punters are completely unattractive to women.

Of course they are not

No one has said this..i dont think, im not rereading to find out

i hope I leave most sex workers with a more positive outlook and more confident.

Oh good lord

That is part of life. Unless you are a spiritual person you will just by living cause suffering or abuse to others. By being a landlord you exploit people who have less financial resources. By being an empoyer you exploit the labour of your workers.

We all have choices to make about how much harm we do vs good.

I hope I leave most sex workers with a more positive outlook and more confident. I would hate for any of them to have any lasting ill effects.

You still haven't faced up to a fact I outlined. Even if we take your assertion that abused vulnerable women in sex work are rare (I'd contest this but for now we'll go with what you believe). The more you do it the more it becomes inevitable that you have contributed to someone's abuse.

Beach I think this is maybe something that you fail to grasp. Not all punters are completely unattractive to women.

In my case I have girlfriends. Women I keep at a distance and see rarely but they stay there and now and then we meet up. I have had female friends verbally beat me up about how I take advantage of those women but it is something that works for me. I would never want to go back to one partner and living together.

I do not have the same moral compass as most people. I try my best not to harm people but yes I display traits of narcissism and I am all too aware of that.

You would see me dragged before a magistrate though for consentual sex with another adult.

And this is why we need to criminalize the buying of sex. Because punters think it is "no strings" (and worse with the ones who don't just wank in a woman but use additional violence, etc).

Decent thinking people know that the sex in prostitution is anything but "no strings" and society should criminalize those who don't care about that or fail to understand the ethics of it.

Punters usually try to make out that the Nordic model is concerned with "morals". It isn't, it is concerned with ethics. A subtle but important difference that is usually either too sophisticated and or too uncomfortable for the punter to consider.

"No upsets." You know that for a fact do you? No woman has ever been harmed or upset by you using them as a prostitute?

As I've said already and others have repeated your addiction to risks should dictate you prostitute yourself - not to women who would simply stroke your planet-sized sense of entitlement, but to burly men who would like to give you a real risky adrenaline rush by doing only what do to women i.e. insert dick into available orifice and dump surplus bodily fluids.

But I guess your so-called addiction to risk would suddenly stop at that point.

Or, why don't you do what you yourself spelled out.? Go without prostitutes for a few weeks and take the risk to see what happens to you?