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Nordic Model on the Big Questions tomorrow

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LauraMipsum · 01/04/2017 20:43

The BBC's political equivalent of Jeremy Kyle is hosting "has the time come to decriminalise sex work" tomorrow morning.

I'm going to be in the audience; if anyone wants to support the Nordic model voice via twitter please do!

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GuardianLions · 02/04/2017 09:26

Additionaly the ECP states that you don't have to be a prostitute to join and you don't have to declare whether or not you are a prostitute to speak on behalf of them (it's an act of 'solidarity' that is very helpful for them) . So it is worth remembering they are also a group of feminists trying to define the law - I think they come from a form of Marxist feminism with a pretty long history.

soapboxqueen · 02/04/2017 09:21

I'm interested in both those in prostitution and those that have left it who feel silenced by the pro-decrim lobby. It's always worrying when a group is silenced in this way. The fact that special terms of abuse need to be invented to silence critical discussion is not a route to a solution.

GuardianLions · 02/04/2017 09:12

Most exited women who speak out in support of the NM are harassed by the pro lobby - including speaking at events like this radio programme.
The facts in Sweden is that prostitution reduced dramatically after purchase was outlawed.
Also remember it includes decriminalising the prostituted and offers them exist strategies.
BTW gender lots of exited women are feminist campaigners for the NM - lest you give the impression that this nasty aggressive bunch represents everyone in the sex industry!

GenderEqualityAdvocate · 02/04/2017 09:04

So the debate will barely mention the Nordic model unless you make your voice heard?

It is very much a minority position. I doubt many other people in the audience will believe in it.

Decriminalisation seems to be favoured by the majority. Women in the sex industry do not always view decriminalisation so favourably but I would rather they were the ones to voice opinions on how to frame legislation than any other group who are not connected to the industry.

Allowing feminists to determine laws on the purchase of sex is utterly disastrous for all. The Nordic model does little to curtail the purchase of sex. Anything that deters sex workers and their clients from reporting illegal activities such as coercion and control to the police just plays into the hands of traffickers.

LauraMipsum · 02/04/2017 08:49

Really GEA, there's NOTHING worse? I would say the massive human rights abuses attendant on the sex industry are far, far worse than any misplaced perception of prescriptivism.

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GuardianLions · 02/04/2017 08:30

Watch out ECP aka Mitchell can be very aggressive and intimidating in green rooms and just speaks over, defames and shouts down opponents like a proper psycho, while the hosts never have the bottle to stop the tirades or insist upon giving both side a fair say. So NM advocares never get or opportunity to explain or justify and can only come away smeared by it. Its really annoying. And agency owner Stephens too - does the same interruping, defaming - so a lot of advocates of the NM refuse to be put alongside them for good reason. While the audiences feel so awkward about the idea of "OMG she sucks dick for money - i'd better be a good liberal, get past my natural disgust and try to hear this" so they are completely uncritical of what's happening as from what I'very seen on twitter. Don't know if I can listen argh!

LauraMipsum · 02/04/2017 08:10

I'm not speaking! Just watching. Unless I am motivated to wave a hand and speak from the audience.

And yes, I think the ecp are speaking.

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AssassinatedBeauty · 02/04/2017 01:02

Good luck Laura, hope it goes well.

GenderEqualityAdvocate · 01/04/2017 23:42

Who are they lining up to argue the case of sex workers (most female sex workers oppose criminalisation of their clients)and choice?

Someone from the English Collective of Prostitutes? I hope they wipe the floor with you. Nothing worse than women dictating to other women on how they should live their lives and restricting their choice.

VestalVirgin · 01/04/2017 23:28

The term "sex work" doesn't fit the Nordic Model. Why do they use it? Confused

venusinscorpio · 01/04/2017 23:27

Good luck Laura!

GenderEqualityAdvocate · 01/04/2017 23:04

Brave new world. I would prefer to see the government try to reduce harm to sex workers rather than criminalise the purchase of sex.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 01/04/2017 22:48

Yes good luck laura

MercyMyJewels · 01/04/2017 22:37

Good luck!

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