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LBC call from a "sex worker" who loves her work apparently. So depressing.

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hilbobaggins · 31/03/2017 22:15

I'm a long time lurker on this board and I've learned a lot about a load of stuff here, not least about prostitution and the Nordic model. A lot of my opinions have changed completely as a result of what I've read here. It's been an incredibly valuable resource for me.

I was listening to LBC and heard this www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/sex-worker-decriminalisation-of-prostitution. listening to it made me feel awful, really sad and angry on behalf of the millions of women across the world forced into prostitution and the horror of that life. It was the closest I've come to calling the show myself, but I chickened out because I couldn't think how to counter the argument of this woman who apparently is ecstatically happy fucking men for money (and apparently uses prostitutes herself, unless I got that wrong).

It made me wish I could think faster on my feet. What would you have said? Still thinking about this, still feeling disgusted about it.

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GuardianLions · 31/03/2017 23:25

Quite right Quentin

GuardianLions · 31/03/2017 23:23

Additionally there are often many factors leading up to that purchased consent such as manipulation, deceit, and a spectrum of coercive influences.

QuentinSummers · 31/03/2017 23:22

Would I prostitute myself? No. Do I have contempt for those who do? No.

Totally agree. I sure as shit have contempt for those who use prostitutes services. I am fed up of this debate being focused on the choice of the women involved. To me the fundamental question is, is it acceptable for a man to exchange money for the right to do what he wants to a woman's body?
Women are humans, not commodities Angry

GuardianLions · 31/03/2017 23:17

Prostitution is purchased consent. Not real consent.

SarcasmMode · 31/03/2017 23:15

But Guardian rape is none consentual, so it's nowhere near the same.

Plus there are and should be more laws to make any sexual offence committed against someone a harsh punishment.

GuardianLions · 31/03/2017 23:10

Prostitution is never going to be obsolete, so it's all about making it as safe for as many women as possible
You could also say that rape, incest and other forms of sexual violence will never be obsolete, but you don't try to make them 'safe as possible' - at least I presume you don't.
I can easily imagine a world where the laws around these crimes were different and women call in to minimise, defend and say they sometimes enjoyed it, its only the stigma that hurts, etc in the same way. And this small representation of victims would get all the airtime, despite the overwhelming majority of victims knowing the very acts themselves do all the damage, but being intimidated into silence in exactly the same way.

SarcasmMode · 31/03/2017 22:57

Btw I'd much rather a model where a punter could be prosecuted but not the sex worker.

SarcasmMode · 31/03/2017 22:55

The thing with feminism you can't claim to be a feminist up to the point another female has a differing view to you.

Would I prostitute myself? No.

Do I have contempt for those who do? No.

Prostitution is never going to be obsolete, so it's all about making it as safe for as many women as possible, prostitutes included.

Yes many women are trafficked into sex but that doesn't mean that a prostitute deciding to no longer be a prostitute would actually change that.

It's like saying my cousin Travis stops smoking pot will stop drug related violence.

Traffickers are to blame, not prostitutes.

ageingrunner · 31/03/2017 22:43

Former prostituted women who speak out against the harms done to them by the "sex industry" report being harassed by the sex industry lobby.

ageingrunner · 31/03/2017 22:41

I actually think that prostitution is so damaging for so many women, men and children that it needs to be stamped out. If there are a few people who actually really enjoy having sex for money, well, tough shit, they can either do it for free, or their punters can take the choice to break the law. The buying of sex should be criminalised and people who think it's ok to buy access to other people's bodies should be heavily penalised.

GuardianLions · 31/03/2017 22:37

hilbo
Just to let you know they are very organised and on the case, with the usual suspects turning up on every discussion panel and radio show.
There are a lot of former prostitutes who now run agencies and call themselves sexworkers and who will not miss any opportunity to defend their business. Also notice it is extremely rare, if not completely unheard of, for the male profiteers to come out and defend the sex industry, I wouldn't be surprised if they paid some of these women to call in.
So you shouldn't take it at face value op.

AssassinatedBeauty · 31/03/2017 22:36

How would you make a prostitute's workplace safe?

thegoodnameshadgone · 31/03/2017 22:28

The majority of the population would not consider this route but for the minority who actively choose this, a safe workspace should be available to them.

thegoodnameshadgone · 31/03/2017 22:26

Doesn't

thegoodnameshadgone · 31/03/2017 22:25

I think she made a lot of good points for people who want to do this as a profession but it downs help people forced into this. I suspect if made legal it would force forced prostitution further underground and harder to police and help the individuals concerned.

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