Another trans whine

Vestal
What's a trans transwomen? Made my head hurt trying to work it out

It helps if you bear in mind how ridiculous most of them are. Take a look at their timelines. I don't mean physically I mean the things they tweet etc.

I've never felt as bullied by any group as I have by trans activists. That includes MRAs, Brexiters etc

Literally all the poster put was:

"Transwomen are women"

Freedom is slavery
Truth is ignorance

Etc

I think they didn't consider it as a trans article, so they interpreted gender comments as a derail, and then realised they had made a mistake allowing comments.

They closed the comments pretty quickly didn't they?

Sorry, to clarify, the comment was in in response to that terrible article cuir posted

The Guardian deleted a comment referencing Orwell in relation to "transwomen are women" while I was replying to it. It's a fine day when a leftist newspaper is censoring mention of Orwell.

Speaking of white feminism, I was so amused at the dismay at Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie's remarks about transwomen. It was easy to vilify Jenni Murray because she's white and old and not attractive anymore and obviously irrelevant. But Chimamanda-she's supposed to be on the side of the cool kids, because she's beautiful and black and was in a Beyonce video, how could she? Never mind, I'm sure she can be sent to some kind of re-education camp (this column is actually terrifying)
www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/28/trans-cis-left-language-chimamanda-ngozi-adichie

From a fellow cis woman

It generally is. They are the most po-faced and earnest about it. Actual TERF hating transactivists on twitter are often puerile and appear slightly unhinged and if you look at their pages, ewww. It's the male centring feminists and pompous mansplainy SJW men that do all their work.

Yes, I know what the intention is, I meant "bizarre" as in it's ridiculous.

Thank you very much venus that is a brilliant article, articulates what I feel so well.

"back to the same monotonous chant about sexism"

What a shocking thing to chant at, er, a women's march! No wonder the self-proclaimed woman at the women's march, surrounded by women, was so upset! Chanting about sexism indeed!

If you bring up an issue which doesn't affect trans women then you're not allowed to say "women" when talking about it. Bizarre.

Not really though. It makes perfect sense, when you think about their agenda.

Should have read the entire article before posting that as I don't think my comments are wholly relevant to this actually, sorry.

They are, don't worry. Feminist Current have a really good blog up which talks about "white feminist" as it is specifically used by Paris Lees and other transactivists.

http://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/03/28/yes-women-vulnerable-male-violence/

"I'm worried about trans voices being erased"
face-palm - head-desk!

Indeed. It seems if you don't entirely centre trans women in everything you say or do, every march, every conference etc, you are a TERF. If you raise any concern about "cis" women without adding that trans women have it worse, that you have "cis privilege", then you're silencing trans women. If you bring up an issue which doesn't affect trans women then you're not allowed to say "women" when talking about it. Bizarre.

sorry to hear that everythingburrito it is really annoying - but it is a straightforward silencing tactic to get dissenters off Twitter, so they can promote their illogical, unhinged and dangerous agenda without needing to explain it [and in so doing expose it for the illogical, unhinged and dangerous rubbish that it is].

It becomes an oppression olympics! I was trying to make the point about women being erased from sports because of trans women but got told "I'm worried about trans voices being erased" blah blah blah.

From a fellow cis woman

everythingburrito you're definitely not alone. I empathise though, if you challenge anything or even just, as you say, ask simple questions, the response is pretty much always to call you a "TERF" and "bigot". Twitter is horrendous for this kind of thing.

Just tried to ask some simple questions on Twitter of someone writing pro-trans stuff and got put thoroughly in my place for being a terf. I feel pretty done with social media now. I feel very alone. I may as well have announced I love Theresa May and can't wait for Brexit.

It was a sodding march! It wasn't a dinner party where we go out of our way to make sure all guests feel welcome and where we know, for example, if a friend is going through a 5th round of IVF, that we'll probably tread sensitively around the area of reproduction. It was a march to address women's issues. If you truly are a 'real woman' then stand alongside the other women for whom this is an issue -even if it isn't for you.

Transactivists don't actually believe they are women, though. It is very obvious in their activism. If they actually felt like women, then they'd not clamour to take away women's rights.

Goodpie, yeah, it's almost a desire to be one of the victims, isn't it? I do wonder if some people who are trans kind of embrace a victim narrative, and become extremely uncomfortable when suddenly they're not the ones who are being oppressed/victimised. They then have to try and centre themselves as the victims again -in this case, by making out that the women are the oppressors. There seems to be this desperate attempt to stop women talking about anything that not only highlights that they are biological women but also everything that makes them vulnerable which trans women, due to biology, can't go, "Yeah, me too!" to.

the hat -feminism without trans women isn't feminism, or something like that. It's confrontational
Exactly - its like they get a perverted kick out of confronting and sparring with women and satisfy a very male primal urge to dominate women which is generally made taboo by male socialisation's adages like 'pick on someone your own size', 'boys should never pick on girls', 'be a gentleman', treat a woman like a lady' etc. They can only get away with seeking out and being so blatantly domineering of women by putting on a dress and unconvincingly feigning female vulnerablity.

It's just so terrible isn't it. I mean imagine if men were the 'gatekeepers of manhood' and thought they were more manly than say, a woman?

Why, there would be outrage!