Transgender child rapist moved to women's prison during his sentence

There absolutely should be a properly resourced, safe, separate prison facility for trans prisoners. If that also helps to sort those with genuine need from the ones trying it then that's money well spent in all ways.

Maybe they dont want to spend the money on trans facilities in prison because they know that as soon as it's available there will be very little demand

YetAnotherSpartacus

I really like that. Cos it's funny, shocking AND true.

My friend had this fantasy about buying a realistic looking dildo and putting it in front of her every time she spoke in a meeting, with a sign saying 'I have a dick and therefore the right to be listened to.

Yeah I've had that fantasy too. In my mind we do it in summer so we can wander round without shirts. I am so getting a smart haircut for £5.50 too.

We couldn't do it though. It would hurt actual transmen who are overwhelmingly, IME, troubled women with painful pasts. I don't give a shit about upsetting the AGP blokes who are trying to muscle in on women & girls' spaces but there are a lot of other groups of trans people (who the AGP blokes are totally using for their own ends), who are just muddling through in a fucked up society, like the rest of us.

Wtf?? How is this being allowed to happen? Is it even legal?

And the talk about his rights, um what about the rights of his victims? What about all the suffering they've gone through?

I'm so so tired and angry over this whole issue. The world is going mad and more and more, women are the ones losing out. I don't understand why it's women who keep having to be accommodating. Why there can't be compromises i.e. separate prison wings for transwomen, for example. Why is it considered ok to put women's safety and our lives at risk?

At times I seriously fantasise about a mass protest of born women identifying as men since the term 'woman' has been distorted beyond all recognition and is so clearly second best

I'm in. Maybe then men will wake up.

Sorry, my grin looks a bit inappropriate given the title of this thread. Apologies.

At times I seriously fantasise about a mass protest of born women identifying as men since the term 'woman' has been distorted beyond all recognition and is so clearly second best

I've been thinking exactly the same - I'm in if it comes to it.

At times I seriously fantasise about a mass protest of born women identifying as men since the term 'woman' has been distorted beyond all recognition and is so clearly second best.

We shall be expanding the bandwidth of what it means to be a man, so urinals will clearly have to go as insulting to men who don't pee standing up, likewise missing the bowl is completely unacceptable as it reminds some men how they can't pee standing up, so all men should have to pee sitting down, in cubicles. With pot pourri. Football and rugby teams will obviously have to be fully reconfigured to be inclusive and properly representative of all men, not just cis men. Likewise all government departments, high powered jobs etc. Immediate equal pay and tax free sanpro goes without saying.

Another day - another transgender murderer that I didn't know about.

This is an article from 1999 about prisoners who won the right to have sex change operations.

link

The article covers John Pilley who was the first (and reportedly now wants to change back to being a man), but also mentions Douglas Wakefield. This is an update on Douglas Wakefield.

link here

He murdered two people, had sex change in prison, got transferred to a woman's prison, had a civil partnership with a woman prisoner IN THE SAME WOMEN'S FUCKING PRISON.

I noticed that Wakefield changed his name to Tai Pilley.

As stated above, the first transgender person to have the sex change operation was John Pilley. Wonder if there is any link with the surname?

Absolutely, and the Women and Equalities Committee of MP's report on Transgender Equality goes on and on about the difficulty of collecting data on trans people at present, and then makes a load of recommendations which would make it virtually impossible to collect any data, because once you became a transwoman you would - legally- be a woman.

Beachcomber, when a transgender man kills a woman in a prison or a refuge, a lot of the reporting will be "Woman murders woman in refuge".

Crime rates for violence by men against women will drop. That's inevitable. And we will see a corresponding rise in violence perpetrated by 'women' (who were actually born male when you look into it).

And then we will see that overall violence against women is actually up because sexual predators will have more access to vulnerable women than they ever have before.

We are giving sexual predators and violent men the green light to abuse women further. A prison sentence will no longer be a punishment - it will be an opportunity for them to continue abusing. And the women inside cannot get away.

They may be legally entitled and the NHS may have a policy about funding trans operations BUT there are a lot of decisions being made in the NHS about funding priorities. People are having their cancer operations cancelled due to lack of facilities. Someone, somewhere, or presumably a whole bunch of people, as these type of decisions don't get made by individuals, has prioritised this man's op over cancer treatment and other essential, life saving treatments. Sickening.

Human Rights are men's rights. Well that's a blanket statement, but I'm always conscious how HR docs rarely require the state to provide a safe environment for women, free of violence.

Inneed I think they're entitled to it under human rights laws.

This is so disturbing - who signed off on the funds for the sex change? It's a big coincidence this violent rapist suddenly decided he was a woman only once incarcerated....Totally appalled that the rights of one violent rapist are deemed more important than presumably 100s of women prisoners, many of whom may have suffered abuse. How is that fair or right, or legal? Is there no way to legally challenge it?

Yeah, you're probably right YetAnotherSpartacus. The liberals are so far gone now that they no doubt will use a woman being killed by a MTT in a female prison or refuge as proof as how hard the world is for MTTs and they will demand that women make ever more concessions as the solution.

At least in the past liberals made attempts to hide their misogyny but now they don't even do that.

I'm way past peak trans now. I'm trans sickened.

I mentioned this type of situation to my elderly mum.

Her solution within a minute of assessing this new world situation was a separate trans unit.

I had read that the Italians are doing this?

Just adding my name in support of everyone's brilliantly-expressed points on this thread, just in case it ever gets shown to anyone with any influence over the whole trans debacle.... Tired of emailing my MP re the Gender Identity Bill and being ignored. Like others, I'm so fucking angry

Is it the inevitable woman being killed by one of these sick men in a prison or a refuge?

Beachcomber - I think we know only too well that a woman being killed won't be a blip on a screen. No one will care. Women are always killed. It's what we do. The man will be excused as they alwasy are (think of men who kill their families) and it will all be put down to how oppressed they are, poor dears.

Bit behind here, but just listened to the Jeremy Vine discussion from yesterday. The female speaker, who had been an independent prison visitor for 10 years, spoke a lot of sense. Made the point that prisons are not safe places - including Bronzefield - and are failing to rehabilitate offenders. She has met a number of transwomen prisoners in her role as prison visitor and said that with only 1 exception they all came across as men.

Her proposal for a separate facility for trans prisoners to keep them safe seems eminently sensible. There are apparently 80 trans prisoners.
Sorry, didn't catch her name. Angela something.

All this awful stuff is exactly what the liberals promised women would not happen when we raised concerns about their ideology. They called us bigots for having those concerns...

Where are they now? When are they going to admit that this is a stupid antiwomen social experiment?

We know that plenty of MTTs have raped and murdered women already but that doesn't matter to liberals.

What are the waiting for? Is it the inevitable woman being killed by one of these sick men in a prison or a refuge?

I've emailed my MP. I didn't write a long email - just a link to the BBC article and a few lines about how women's and girl's rights are being damaged. I also mentioned use of NHS funds. I'm not expecting a reply, but it all just helps raise the issue.

www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/

Does anyone know who we write to about this and how we find out their email address, please?