Finsbury Park murder (warning: distressing child death). THIS IS MALE VIOLENCE. Why is it not being named?

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Of course the pattern is all too sadly familiar, absolutely agree RedBug

Anyone can see the depressing pattern and it's world wide too.

If two men a week were killed by their partners, you can be sure that something would be done about it. No way would excuses be made such as she snapped and was a pinnacle of the community and a doting mother.

There was one poster who reported as the last straw that her husband said he would piss on her grave. Some posters came on to ask what she had done to provoke such a response. Her fault of course for such a vile sentiment.

Absolutely understand your OP Bertie I feel this rage too.

Actually I was the one who mentioned the possible parentage ,not to speculate but in answer to someone asking why this happened.I have boy/girl twins and could have been in that situation at one point myself.Consequently I find this horribly tragic and just so sad.
I also really object to the media calling these cases domestics - they're not.They are evil individuals seeking to domineer,denigrate,bully and violently and mentally abuse family members because they have a right to.You can't change these individuals and the love of a good women does not make them better believe me.I've been there.

Bertie, that case destroyed me. That poor woman, fined for "wasting police time". But AF's right. Nothing will be learned, each case is completely individual and unrelated to every single other and we'll always have fucking idiots coming onto threads like these making snarky remarks and thinking they're funny.

Nothing gets learned. The same shit is wheeled out over and over again.

It will be the subject of a serious case review (SCR). These take place whenever a child dies as the result of either abuse or neglect.
The idea is that lessons can be learnt to try and prevent future occurrences as here from the NSPCC

There needs to be proper investigations carried out with no avenue of investigation off the cards, no questions forbidden

I agree with that.
but the pattern is sadly all too familiar.

Family annihilator was the first thought I had when I heard this on the news a few days ago.

It's so tragic how common something so awful seems to be these days.

It's triggered by normal events, like a relationship break up, not extreme stress.

But relationship breakups happen every day in this country in their hundreds or maybe thousands. Yet these murders are relatively rare compared to the general population. So, its begs the question as to whether or not there are other common factors involved other than a man and women splitting up. There needs to be proper investigations carried out with no avenue of investigation off the cards, no questions forbidden - for a better understanding of such crimes, and hopefully their prevention

almost every story of male family anihilator has components of 'known to have a temper'

Where do people see that it is expected? Every occasion of family anihilation I remember as being treated with horror and utter condemnation of the perpetrator in being so selfish to hurt their children no matter what the circumstances.

I'd have thought it was more like narcissistic rage rather than being pushed to some kind of breaking point. You're right that this whole kind of idea of being driven to it is so wrong. It's triggered by normal events, like a relationship break up, not extreme stress.

I agree with so many points on this thread - thank you all.

Another thing I've noticed about these attacks is that there's always a narrative of a desperate man pushed to breaking point - as though it was somehow explicable that the poor love was having a hard time and therefore of course he would attack his baby with a hammer. That this is causibly traceable, and a pattern - that this male response is an accepted path.

This case is horrific - all of these cases are horrific. The last moments of that poor baby's life where he was plunged into unspeakable terror and pain, this should not be normalised by talking about how violent acts are a response to stress or upset or whatever.

Assassinated, yes you are so right that crimes like this within families get treated as somewhat inevitable which is TOTAL BULLSHIT and so offensive

Thanks Fairy, I found an article where it mentions that she says the rates are increasing recently.

I find the attitude to these crimes very strange, as if it's somehow inevitable that these sorts of things will happen in relationships, and no one ever says "hang on, this is madness" and looks at the causes of this kind of extreme violence within the family.

PS Id be happy to, at the moment I'm journeying home but will revert to you.

Looking back through the thread there are many questions raised - is there a particular on which you wish to focus ?

AssassinatedBeauty I think Jane Monckton-Smith will have researched the area of family annihilation as part of her work on domestic violence, coercive control and gender, though I don't know if it has included prevalence.

You won't get a rise out of me, cadno.

Your inability to present a decent argument for your opinion, the fact that you can only express your obvious anger towards women through snide little asides and your incessant need to scold feminists just make me feel a bit sorry for you, tbh. It can't be much of a life.

Yawn. Do try to get a life.

Has somebody pushed the MRA alert? How tedious.

Naff off, trollface32

I've no idea what prejudices you're talking about

Quite.