Women in gaming

I don't play as much as I used to because the games seem all too macho now.
Favourite game of all time was Perfect Dark on the N64- Joanna Dark kicked butt! I liked the stealth aspect of it - if you tried to run into a room full of people you'd die so you had to think about how to get through each level.
Also really loved Zombi-U for the same reason.
I don't play online because there is too much cheating but if I do I use a male handle to avoid sleazes

"are you sure it was a woman? I've heard of that technique from some gamers who weren't women - they just get pictures from the internet to get free stuff."

^That's what I was thinking.

Slightly OT, a male friend of mine used to play online poker on one of the sites that uses avatars. He claimed that he won more often when using a female avatar.

It's been a few years since I played a lot of MP (no Xbox gold account anymore) but I would never speak in a lobby. CoD lobbys were awful, mainly because the game was so popular. The day I found global mute was a wonderful day.

I suppose there are a couple of reasons I don't talk. Partly because there's a lot of idiots, and teenage boys, but partly because I don't play games for the social side. It's my 'me time'.

Losing - are you sure it was a woman? I've heard of that technique from some gamers who weren't women - they just get pictures from the internet to get free stuff.

Interesting you brought up lego - my kids play the lego games, and it really wound me up that the girls had special jumping skills illustrated with pink sparkles (I think I'm remembering right) - pointless gender division. By all means have some characters having special skills, but gender division to do it is lazy.

I don't like most controllers, I find the sony ones better.. I looked at little ones for my kids, and TBH the build quality wasn't great, and my DS2 (he's 3) seems to have found his own technique with the xbox ones.

As to PC design, I personally don't care what the PC looks like (I'm old enough that they were all beige when I started, so being able to get cases etc. in black was a nice change). I don't like viewing panels because they let out interference (and actually, I'm surprised they meet regulations because of that - at least these days my TV can cope with it, in the old analogue days I got snow when I took the side off my PC), but the glowing lights look nice (although I used to tape over them when I had the PC in my room).

Women can like black/flames/whatever too - we don't need a mouse to be pink in order to use it!

It never occurred to me that you would experience harassment within a game.

Err ...Have you EVER played an online game?!

The towers are not masculine and who doesnt want to see the insides especially if they are lit up.

Are you not really much of a gamer then? There is tons of stuff online about gaming harassment. Try girl gamers Reddit for first hand stories.

Oh yes the streamers with cleavage, they make us look like idiots. I chose my GT to be neutral. The women I know who have an obvious female GT are often multi spammed with invites in social spaces.

I get the being offered stuff in game and have also been offered free codes for games. I never accept them. I have also gamed with a couple of women who encourage dirty talk so they are accepted, I rage quit recently due to one of them doing this after calling her out.

I have no issue with controllers and I'm actually a small person with smaller than average hands.

Are you working on the marketing side? Women will feel comfortable coming out online when guys stop being dicks because they think with their dicks.

Get yourself an Xbox, give yourself an obviously female GT get in those lobbies. The worst harassers I have come across are middle aged men or the kind of guys that are not social gamers as such but it's a way of life. They literally work and game and nothing else. I have some friends who will game for 10 to 12 hours both days at the weekend when off work. There are in jokes about omg you went outside.I game for around 5 hours per day almost every day, but I'm not working currently.

I don't have big hands and have never had anissue with gaming mice or controllers don't forget kids and are a massive user of these things. I don't think the towers are particularly masculine. I think the see through ones are cool in a kind of vague way, I wouldn't pay extra or anything.

Well..on the other side of this coin of women hiding their gender to avoid harassment, there are the women who deliberately play on their sexuality to get free stuff from men. I used to play an MMO and there were an awful lot of women playing it. There was one very popular woman who would send pictures of herself in her underwear (possibly less) to men in exchange for in game currency and items. I mean I guess you could say if men are stupid enough to go for that then she could crack on, but that sort of woman is hardly helping to improve the experience for other women.

Personally I try to play as a female when I play, and I don't tend to tell the room that I'm female because if I turn out to play rubbish I think I'd be in for a bit of a flaming so tend to keep it to myself

That's actually a good point about the controllers. We have a gaming mouse for our pc and it's obviously designed for large male hands. I have to splay my hand when I'm using it which isn't comfortable for a long session.

Mehfruittea

Thats soemthing I hadnt thought to mention.
Yes some of the controllers are too big for me, I have small hands, they get pretty sore after a while so I hate to think what it does to kids over time.

I got us some allegedly better controllers with programmable auto fire function but they are way too big for me to use, very annoying. Xbox controllers with a smaller 'thumb' button would be very welcome.

I have a tower pc, I dont want a 'girly' pc tbh, just a functional one.

I think even lego have caught on to the fact that the pinkification of everything is unnecessary. The elves set started a trend towards more fantasy stuff that may appeal to girls and signal that this tour is "for them" (which started the lego problem as the brand direction was predominantly male irientated ( now there is the release of the dc girls sets. No pink. Strong female characters.

I think the same goes for gaming. There will be an eventual realisation that women are 50% of the world and that marketing is missing a trick. There will be awful pinkification and trivialisation to play down to the women. Then there will be an evolution...

Over sexualisation is ridiculous.

I loved The Division because the women in it wore actual regular clothes it was a snowy post apocalyptic NYC I guess but women are harassed in games a lot. In DZ six someone asked me to get my tits out.

Only 5% of the gamers on my friends list are women, why because they just don't speak out in public lobbies. You get everything from dirty guys saying your giving me wood to people white knighting you. You also get the middle ground OMG there's a chick in the lobby, those lobbies have more women than you think they just can't be bothered with the sexual harassment so don't reveal their gender. One of the most gifted gamers I know is a young woman, she never ever speaks in a lobby though she has spoken to me, she can kick the ass of almost anyone in any game.

I spend a lot of money on games and have an Xbox and am about to also get a PS4. My pc days are over now as prefer consoles.

I like playing as a female character but if the historical setting is for instance Battlefield 1 then fine I will play a guy. But in any fantasy game well it's open season on who is what character.

I'm part of a clan, we have a FB page I ended up getting seriously harassed by a clan member the clan leader dealt with it well.

I just want good mechanics, I am not overly arsed about story. The only game that really bothered me in terms of sexism was FFX-2 because urrrghhhh. I still played it though because I enjoyed the mechanics.

An anomoly based in who owns the credit card. Really? Help me out please!

If I had to guess I would say that the majority of those women are not buying the games that we traditionally associate with gamer culture. My mum loves the "findy thing" games and "clicky thing" games (Big Fish website has a plethora of this and its obvious by their marketing etc who they are aimed at).

Couldn't help but think of this:

Boob plate armour would kill you

I refer you to the brilliant Anita Sarkeesian and her videos for what women do NOT want. You should be able to find her via google. I think her site is called "Tropes versus Women."

What I want in games and often don't get is the option to play a female character who is not sexualized.

Morrowind (same series as Skyrim, but did not play that) has, as far as I remember, rather tasteful female characters, with breast sizes that fit the body (skinny women have small breasts) and the armour and clothes look exactly the same on characters of both sexes.
That's what I like.

(Yes, clothes and armour looking the same cannot be taken for granted. In WoW, what was a full breastplate for a male PC was a metal bikini top for a female character.)

If there is a male main character (and I don't get to choose an alternative because the main character is a specific person), then I want to be able to play him as decent man.
There should be no "bonus" scenes where he ogles female characters while they change clothes.

Random character like guards, etc. should be 50% female, 50% male, and there should be equality in any given rpg setting, unless fighting the sexism is part of the plot. (which should be handled VERY carefully, because gaming is something I do to relax. I don't want to have to get angry about sexism while I do something for FUN)

Oh, and female characters should NOT make any porn noises when wounded.

Also, breasts don't bounce if they are inside a fucking suit of plate armour, they just don't.

LIke to have a strong women character who is just as good as any of the male characters, or just as 'normal' as them like Left 4 Dead. Or create my own as in Skyrim etc. I dont always play a female just depends on my mood and character options, its not the end of the world if I dont but I do not want the females to be steriotypical, skinnym buxom, scantily clad fluffy decorations always needing rescued by the 'hero'.

I don't play any games with explicit violence against women i.e GTA dont care what the story line is I just wont play it.

As long as the story line is good and believeable as far as it can be depending on the genre, as long as it represents the setting/time and has a mix of characters I am happy. I also like a bit of humour in there amongst the angst somewhere

Personally not interested in any 'girly' games, prefer games where you can be anyone male or female and still do the game. But saying that it would be good if there were more games with a better ratio of male/female characters to chose from in a group setting, not just the one token woman.

I only play Jewel Quest on my phone, hate most of the other games (and its free!)

For serious, computer/console games:

I avoid games with overt violence against women as a plot point.

I roll my eyes about the ridiculous fur bikinis, or pointless sexism around minor plot points.

I try to always play a woman, just because I want to represent - although I don't admit to being a woman online unless actually pressed due to the response I get.

For phone games I tend to play puzzle stuff. I roll my eyes again at things like angry birds that have one or two female characters in the group (who are pink and princessy of course).