Women in certain industries.

Probably more work actually.
So yes, you are a shit pilot who wants to blame feminism for your lack of career progression.
Not smelling the irony yet?

You have no idea what jobs the women on here do, Tonka. Do you think we're all professional feminists or something? What funny little ideas you have

More proof the OP is on the wind up as they've ignored the fact women who are engineers, IT technicians etc have already posted on this thread.

tonka come on! How many men happily spend all Sunday in the kitchen? Loads cause male chefs are cool right now!

And lots of women are into cars and bikes. Maybe you are uncomfortable round these woman because they don't conform?

When I said woman and girls have lots of questions for me I mean specific questions, like wifi and router problems (which I can't answer at all). And how many mums have to know about bikes and mine craft and lego?

My point is the interest is there, the knowledge is there, just needs somewhere to develop.

leave anyone with a box of lego and tell me what happens.

So what do you do Tonka?

I think it has everything to do with the choices men and women make.

I'd rather fix a car than scrub shit off a carpet. But I get on with what needs doing.
What do you do?
Are you an unemployed (and not very good) pilot looking to blame feminism for your problems?

This is a feminism board, Tonka. We talk about feminist issues.

If you're that bothered about the poor men and their lack of opportunity, then get campaigning. Don't come and scold women by bringing out lazy old sexist tropes about the sexes being wired differently, ENDOF.

Can't be bothered to give this my A game. You're right, Amy.

Tonka4 no, because you started a thread, ignored all the sensible points made which refute the nonsense you'd decided you'd post before you even started it, claim "it doesn't matter" about an issue which you started the discussion of and posted nonsense which has been rubbished numerous times about being "wired differently". It's pretty obvious you wish to create an argument and intend to keep it going as long as possible posting the same thing with no intention to engage or consider you could be wrong (if you even believe what you're saying anyway). You should go and fix your car or something instead.

Piss off with your sexist nonsense mate. I work in IT (proper techy) and can strip down a motorbike quite happily.

I am both nurtering and technically minded, by the way. I love trying to understand how things work - which is why I am disappointed with people who lazily dismiss complex problems with simple, shallow explanations that they have not bothered to research or think very deeply about at all. "It is wot it is". Especially if those doing so are members of the sex supposedly gifted with curiosity and technical minds.

I was in that kind of industry some time ago. No real sexism issues apart from sometimes having to remind visitors that I wasn't a secretary.

On reflection, I was brought up with none of this 'girls don't' or 'it is feminine to be thick' that is sadly now very prevalent. Both my parents had science/engineering based jobs and females were just assumed as competent as males. Even if we did wear dresses.

there was much less of the pink and sparkly crap that goes round now and is everywhere. It must be very hard to avoid if you live somewhere with shops and advertising posters.

thanks, mum and dad.

Tonka4 is definitely purely on here to attempt to wind people up and create arguments, it's pitiful really. They definitely need to take up stamp collecting or something.

...worse through the rest of school.

I have lots more to say on this, but am v. busy just now... preparIng a presentation on the history of women in IT, as it happens, because one of the issues is the lack of role models, yet women have been involved in IT from its very outset, and that history is mostly unknown.

argh, cross posted with this Women prefer nursing because for the most part they are more nurturing and maternal than men. Men in general are more technically minded and more interested in how things work hence going into STEM fields more often

STRONG disagree!

Have you done much research into this, OP, or is it more just "stands to reason, doesn't it?"

"But here's the thing. It doesn't matter! It's not an issue."

And yet, you find the time to waste discussing the issue that doesn't matter.
In which case I am guessing that you don't do very much work at all, paid or otherwise, in your time. So, neither nurturing nor technical then?

Why do men and women make those choices? It is sexism at play, and it starts young, in primary school and gets wrose trough t

I am imagining tonka's smile of glee as they though "a-HA! Gotcha!".

Are you trying to say that men are disadvantaged because there are barriers to them entering professions like nursing, that are the same as barriers faced by women attempting to enter STEM careers? They're not. They're both a result of archaic notions of what men and women should be doing - but women's historic exclusion from high-paying, high-status STEM careers is not at all the same thing as men's historic exclusion from lower-paid, lower-status caring professions.

As a female engineer (albeit a new one) it wasn't what I expected.

Repeatedly warned I'd be the only girl (I'm 32). From a place of concern but almost put me of and I am a very confident secure woman. I know it put off younger students.

Also male bosses very enthusiastic to make sure my physical strength isn't a disadvantage. Except I am particularly strong, the males I work with not remarkably strong and the weights we're talking about are less than 5kg.

Even when they (employers, employees) are well versed in sex discrimination they have no idea how to properly execute it. I'm not apologising for them - there's many a tense meeting after I have made this point.

There aren't women in these industries, the first women will have a hard row to hoe. But keep screaming it from the rafters, new technology particularly should appeal to everyone.

I love that it's being highlighted though. And when I tell women and girls what I do they all have questions. I think that's the key! It feels a bit subversive but I love my job.

btw, I deliberately chose a male dominated career because I wanted money.
Female dominated professions are often ludicrously underpaid (nurses in particular) for the job they do.

I have a degree in chemistry. At uni in the 90s the gender split was roughly 50:50. I now work in the pharmaceutical industry and the gender mix in the quality assurance department where I work is also about equal. My manager is female, head of department is male but previous two heads were female. Most staff are chemistry grads.
The plant based chemists are slight majority male, engineering 80%+ male. Microbiology is almost exclusively female. There are definite gender biases within the sciences.