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Women in certain industries.

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Tonka4 · 16/03/2017 11:46

Just wondering what your thoughts are on certain industries being male dominated in terms of jobs? I'm thinking mainly science, technology and engineering industries. Is it sexism at play?

There is a follow up question to this.

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IAmAmy · 16/03/2017 13:29

Listen Grin

He's just so keen for you to listen
But no one's listening
And when you put it all together
There's the model of a charmless man

LeninaCrowne · 16/03/2017 13:29

Sexism - yes in mixed schools. Year 11 I was encouraged to aspire to do 'A' level physics at an all girls school, but when I moved to a mixed school due to a house move, discouraged, as I would be the only girl in the class, and told I would fail. (I did it anyway and passed).
University - some sexist lecturers (Brunel University Lecturer in Production Engineering kept banging on, in a public lecture to encourage sixth formers to choose engineering, about how women were more suited to boring mundane assembly work and it was cheaper to employ women than have machines. Workplace - some sexist colleagues. I'll never forget an MOD official who kept slamming the door to stop me doing my job, as he said "I was a just a bloody girl".

Knifegrinder · 16/03/2017 13:28

Well, tonka, could you supply live links to your peer-reviewed neurological research on men and women being 'wired differently'? Or, on the other hand, you could read Cordelia Fine's Delusions of Gender. You know, by someone with actual higher qualifications in psychology and neuroscience, rather than an outraged keyboard warrior with a lot of gendered preconceptions about women 'naturally' gravitating to unprestigious caring jobs because they're 'nurturing'. Are they also 'naturally' attracted to cleaning and waitressing?

squishysquirmy · 16/03/2017 13:28

We know you're happy to talk Tonka.

FlaviaAlbia · 16/03/2017 13:27

PoochSmooch Grin

ChocChocPorridge · 16/03/2017 13:27

Have you had a chance to look at those studies yet Tonka - about the current bias towards men?

Do you have anything to say about that?

squishysquirmy · 16/03/2017 13:27

The pay gap is a good thing, Pooch.
We would just fritter all that extra money away on silly things like bonnets, shoes for baby rabbits and tampons, our lady brains cannot cope with money. Best to let the men bravely take charge! Grin

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Tonka4 · 16/03/2017 13:26

If you want to get on the pay gap myth I'm happy to talk.

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Tonka4 · 16/03/2017 13:25

Of course the word 'listen' was terribly sexist of me. I do apologise.

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PoochSmooch · 16/03/2017 13:25

Listen!!

Where does a mansplainer get his water?

From a well, actually...

Is your next point about how the pay gap is explained by women not wanting to be paid as much as men? I'm learning so much Grin

squishysquirmy · 16/03/2017 13:24
Grin How do you do that crying with laughter ayahuasca?
Bluntness100 · 16/03/2017 13:22

But sometimes they don't get equal choices do they?

And good point squishy 😁

ayahuasca · 16/03/2017 13:22

"Listen," 😂

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Tonka4 · 16/03/2017 13:21

Listen, men and women are free to make what ever choices they feel like in this country.

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squishysquirmy · 16/03/2017 13:18

Don't worry bluntness, computers and words and stuff can be very confusing to our lady brains. We should stick to knitting kittens instead. Wink.

Bluntness100 · 16/03/2017 13:15

Sorry that was meant to be the quote of the op saying he didn't care. Clearly having a whole concentration fail today..😂😂😂

Bluntness100 · 16/03/2017 13:14

So I don't think it's sexism at play to be honest. I think it has everything to do with the choices men and women make.

squishysquirmy · 16/03/2017 13:14

No, I am not twisting your words.
If you don't want your words misunderstood, learn to express yourself better.
Take some responsibility, get a grip and stop playing the victim card.

IAmAmy · 16/03/2017 13:13

I actually agree with the OP on reflection, I'm sick of people getting jobs for their religion, why does some Church of England Christian always become Archbishop of Canterbury? Angry

PoochSmooch · 16/03/2017 13:13

"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression".

Grin
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Tonka4 · 16/03/2017 13:13

Bluntness You can come to whatever conclusion you like. If I was edged out by a women in whatever job I went for, and I'm sure I have in the past, I really couldn't care.

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squishysquirmy · 16/03/2017 13:12

I'm not twisting anything.

"Do I have a problem with people getting roles because of their sex/race/religion or whatever, absolutely yes"

Well then, given that roughly the same percentage of men and women apply for the roles, it makes the 5% of woman currently holding those roles that Lonny highlighted look even worse doesn't it?
Doesn't that suggest that in order for those huge imbalances to occur, people have been selected due to their sex? It's just that so far the bias has been in favour of men.
You said earlier that if women want a job they should just apply for it, but it looks that they have been doing just that, and yet are still massively underrepresented.

Are you fine with hiring biases as long as the work in your favour?

PoochSmooch · 16/03/2017 13:11

You really have brought a knife to a gun fight, OP. You're going to need some better material than your little just-so stories about man brain and lady brain.

Bluntness100 · 16/03/2017 13:10

Now suspecting not not suspecting,,!

IAmAmy · 16/03/2017 13:10

slug exactly, there's no point as the OP won't read or engage with anything which proves what they're saying wrong as already proven. What they'll do is continue to reply as long as they think they can continue an argument which allows them to say what they want to and ignore anything else. I'm astounded someone thinks that's a good use of their time.