Women in certain industries.

I think the OP has run off.

squishysquirmy I love you. I will carefully bake for you thank offerings of cake and place it on an altar in your Name.

squishy

That's proper sciencing, that is. You unnatural thing, you!

Like the stepford wives but with masochists ExplodedCloud

Feminists. Unnatural beings. Probably created in a lab. Probably therefore by the mens in STEM related fields.

Also I couldn't be a pilot because without the added weight of a penis, the centre of gravity would move too far aft, thus reducing the moment arm between the centre of gravity and the aerodynamic centre and reducing the longitudinal stability of the aircraft.
Or something.

I'm happy to talk.

Now THAT is a scientific fact. "happy to listen", not so much.

I think I'm getting that hang of this, though. Women are naturally nurturing, and drawn to touchy feely stuff, except feminists who are mean spirited and nasty. So are feminists unnatural? Defective women? Actually men?

Oops. I hope that still makes sense.

It must be nice to live in a world where all options are available and all attempts succeed. Where there are no external influences. Where we are only limited by our own lack of vision or will. Like a vacuum if you will.
A linear world where we grow up in perfect equality, go to school then get a career. Its so heartwarming.

tonka

I think you have said that you believe sexism exists, right?

I think you have said that you believe sexism exists, right? What are the things that you think are accounted for by sexism?

I think fundamentally men and women are different and wired to enjoy different things

OP it's more about early socialisation, something you would understand if you took the time to find things out before forming an opinion.

The good thing about opinions is that they are flexible. They can change when people look for or aquire new information.

I work in a male dominated environment and rarely encounter overt sexism but the career structure does not lend itself well to both parents working, certainly not in the same career field so one often gets left behind.
Someone asked you up thread if you had heard of unconscious bias. Studies have shown that employers faced with identical CVs one with a male name, the other female chose the male CV as preferred often citing reasons that it held more credibility and other nebulous assertions. When the CVs were swapped with names, again the male name was preferred. When CVs were submitted anonymously, the male leaning bias disappeared. This is also the case for people with names perceived to be more commonly found within ethnic minorities. So whilst in your own little utopic world you may believe it's the best person for the job, bias plays a huge and disabling role.

In addition, studies of airliner passengers showed that they preferred the idea of being flown by a male flight deck team or at least a male captain. Passengers were often articulate with precision why they would prefer a male pilot, with most stating reasons such as 'I would feel safer, or a male pilot probably possesses greater skills for calmness under pressure.'

Yes, STEM is in fact a phallic code - the 'stem' is the penis, and it's a prerequisite to have one. Women science undergraduates have to stick a pencil case down the front of their pants to compensate. I read that somewhere before I surrendered myself to my biological destiny of 'nurturing' and watching America's Next Top Model.

This is probably a good time to bring back this wonderful thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/child_internet_safety/2307274-I-am-everything-you-hate-about-people-on-the-internet-I-am-here-to-help

My breasts keep getting in the way of my calculator.

I would define mean spirited as starting a thread with a goady goal in mind just to try to prove everyone wrong.
This isnt a discussion.

So to prove their point the OP supplied a link they didn't even read to an article even one of the professors who lead the research said misrepresented it. Oh dear. 2/10 at best for this troll.

girls and boys are different. They have different organs for starters...

and clearly, you need a penis for STEM, but it gets in the way in nursing..

Knifegrinder exactly. So many posts engaging with them in good faith they entirely ignored, again proving their motivations for the thread.

Reading links is women's work, knife.
Men like Tonky are too important and busy shouting their opinions to back them up with anything.

If by "mean spirited" you mean "not going to blindly agree with debunked sexist tripe" then yeah

And actually I started out posting seriously, but as with the countless others who've proven you wrong you chose to totally ignore it because it didn't fit with what you wanted to achieve by starting this thread (spout sexist nonsense and cause arguments).

I though we were nurtering and maternal?
Or is that because we are not proper women?