Danielle Muscato's tweet on international women's day

Yes Shon Faye, there's a difference because those women don't actually have dicks.

What a disgusting bastard. What the fuck is he doing in a woman's shelter?

And for someone who seems to find Trumps "Grab them by the pussy" comment so abhorrent

Tbf Trumps quote is probably only so abhorrent to him because Trump did not acknowledge that women have penises too. So Trump was clearly being transmisogynistic by not saying 'grab them by the pussy or penis'. Trump was erasing transwomen like Danielle and her unsucked penis. Sob :sad:

Danielle helped my very liberal sister hit peak trans today. Bravo Danielle. Keep up the good work.

Shon Faye's responses about Adele/Rihanna/Beyonce using similar language were laughably disingenuous. Such a clear demonstration of the fact that they have NO IDEA what women go through.

'Apparently women say it ironically and as he is a woman he was clearly being ironic'

Yeah, feminists! Everyone knows you have no sense of humour or irony! Its all your fault really, as always

He's a total scumbag. An arrogant scumbag

I want to fucking scream.

Just to build on your analogy there Archery: and people like them shoot their guns all the time, probably to someone you know, if not you yourself

What utter nonsense Muscato is talking with that "explanation", stitch. There's a difference between someone saying "I've a gun and am going to shoot you" from someone who has never had a gun, will never have a gun, and has no possibility - which everyone knows - of ever possessing a gun (although even then it's a shitty thing to say), and someone saying "I've a gun and am going to shoot you" when everyone knows they do possess a gun, and in fact they frequently brag about the fact they have a gun, and are aggrieved whenever you don't give them special dispensations because they have a gun.

Danielle Muscato was challenged about it on facebook. Apparently women say it ironically and as he is a woman he was clearly being ironic. Or something like that. The fact that he actually has a dick that he could force someone to suck is irrelevant.

I shouId perhaps qualify that by saying that I do know women who would go on to punch - but they're rare. The odds of a man doing so are much higher - 1 in 5, 1 in 4....

Exactly Wobbly - it was like that analysis of online trolling which supposedly showed that women were worse misogynists than men by counting the number of uses of the word "bitch". When a woman calls me a bitch, she's just being nasty. When a man calls me a bitch I have the very real fear that he will follow it up with a punch to the face.

Girls I used to work with in residential schools & secure units said it lots-must have been fashionable with them. And I'm sure I read something online about how dm was complaining because Adel had said it and got no flack. Either way it is meaningless if someone with out a penis says it

Actually, I suppose the reasoning would be women do say it because, look, here's Moscato saying it...........

In the past Danielle Muscato has been invited in an official capacity to talk about transgenderism - lectern an all. To some (gullible fools) he appeared to be the acceptable face of transwomen, who did not buy into gender stereotypes. Theryn White - a very feminised transwoman ranted about him letting down the side and not making an effort.

Theryn White not only failed to see the irony of calling Daniel Muscato not a real woman, but also ended her rant on 'you can suck my dick'.

This is totally par for the course. Frankly 'You can suck my dick' is one of the mildest threats that I have seen some transwomen make.

Whaaaat? Women don't say "suck my dick"?!!!! I've never heard a woman say it unless she's quoting a man!

I have never, ever heard a woman say "suck my dick"

Actually, I have never heard a man I would want have anything to do with say it.

And the idea that Moscato did not consider the implications of the phrase is laughable. We are not talking any "person on the street" making a casual, throwaway remark here.

Women definately say it sometimes-Adel? ?- but they don't actually have a penis so there's no intention or threat behind it, with dm there is.

Do women ever say 'suck my dick'? It's a repulsive term and feels additionally sinister when said by a fully intact male who claims to be a woman.

I feel strongly that people who use this language do not want to 'be' women because they like us, respect us or want to emulate us. What I hear is that they hate us and want to take something away from us - our identity, our rights, our freedom of speech.

I cannot imagine a decent man saying "suck my dick" to my face, even as banter. I can, however, think of instances of unpleasant men saying this - because they mean it precisely as a reminder of the fact that I, as a woman, am vulnerable to sexual assault in a way they aren't. It's one of those acts of aggression dressed up as banter that a certain sort of bully is very fond of. Because the difference between that and "I'd like to murder my sister in law" is that the latter happens so rarely it makes the front pages - it's clearly a joke. Sexual assault happens to one in four of us. There's a fairly solid body of reseach which puts the prevalence of male perpetrators at round about the 5 or 6% mark. So once you take into account the fact that this (in my experience) is just not the sort of "joke" a decent man makes, when a man says this to you, there is a fairly high chance he means it.

Would you be so sanguine about a white person choosing black history day to make jokes about police brutality against black people, or about lynching?

Telling someone to 'suck my dick' is an extremely aggressive, extremely male insult.
If misgendering is 'literal violence' then 'suck my dick' is literal coerced penetration.

Words fail me.

Fair point Sulis87 - but 'can suck my dick' is also widely used to mean 'can fuck off'. It's a hell of a jump to turn it into 'forced oral penetration'.

Pleasejustgetdressed - in my opinion there is a difference between wishing to 'murder' your SIL - clearly banter - and expressing the wish to sexually assault all women who disagree with you. Look at twitter.com/terfisaslur - there are many, many people who want to become women, but who also appear to hate women and say that they wish them physical harm. It doesn't feel like banter to me, and DM's comment is certainly not a one off.

Vulgar and uncalled for tweet, but equally obviously not about 'forced oral penetration'. Unless you think that anyone who posts 'I could murder my SIL for ruining Christmas' is posting death threats.

Fuck me I've seen it all now