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Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie is also Spartacus

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IamalsoSpartacus · 10/03/2017 19:22

She's just been interviewed on C4 news and has said essentially the same as Jenni Murray.

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SweetGrapes · 11/03/2017 11:19

Have liked her page on Facebook. Put my stake in the ground!
Feel a little scared too!

Banananana · 11/03/2017 11:10

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quencher · 11/03/2017 11:03

This is great. I think she doesn't take any st from anyone so she will be fine. As someone said earlier she is intersectional feminisms poster girl. I wonder if this is it? You know, are we finally at the turning point that so many of us have been waiting for ? God I hope so, I feel like I'm going mad. You know she has been saying this for years, right? She acknowledges trans. It's the experience that's different. She acknowledges that two. She has never said the two where same.

It's feels like a shift. To my shame I think I overlooked the fact that these women have power and influence. They are listened to. I don't get your comment. If it's what you mean, am disappointed and clocked that.

Am waiting for two more pieces to be written. I will see what angle they will take in regards to her response. People asked the two I follow yesterday for a response and they said they need to think about it.
It's interesting how so many people i know have stayed neutral. Am also, interested in the angle the "the huffingtonpost's black-voices blog will take. I know someone who writes for them is very pro trans and intersectionality.

Loving all the debate going on. Grin

With a debate like this, It's is when you know understanding sociology and biological science is helpful.

SweetGrapes · 11/03/2017 11:01

How about WART - Women Antagonist Radical Transperson ?

Datun · 11/03/2017 10:49

The comments under that Facebook post are ridiculous. Male privilege doesn't exist because even as a tiny baby they knew they were female. It's such utter bollocks.

The level of education of most of the trans allies is woeful.

Hopefully the more this is out in the open and exposed, the more people will see it for what it is.

TheXxxxx · 11/03/2017 10:44

Quentin it's precisely because homophobia is a endemic that many feel forced to become transgender. Similar dynamics at play in Iran.

I was talking with a Ghanaian colleague of mine (we are both gender critical radical feminists) we were discussing bobriskyy a Nigerian openly gay and what would be considered effeminate man. He has a large following he posted on his Snapchat that he no longer felt he need to "transgend". These conversations are happening all over the continent, it's precisely because Nigeria has such draconian laws surrounding homosexuality (something she has spoken out against) that she is more acutely aware than most.

fruitlovingmonkey · 11/03/2017 10:27

Brilliant, Chimamanda!
I'm off to buy the rest of her books (already own Half of a Yellow Sun and Purple Hibiscus). I figure putting some cash in her pocket is a good way to support her for sticking her neck out on this issue.

Fauchelevent · 11/03/2017 10:25

Oh i forgot to post it whoops

www.facebook.com/chimamandaadichie/posts/10154887462650944:0

Fauchelevent · 11/03/2017 10:25

Here's the link, i think

Love the first comment Grin "as an aside [to all these people kicking off and you inevitably being exiled to terf territory] great book cover"

woman12345 · 11/03/2017 10:23

All of which are really obvious ways of silencing women

I agree! Fauchelevent

If men in dresses want to be affiliate members of the women's union, they could start by campaigning against paying tax on tampons, campaigning to stop 2 women a week being killed by men in Britain and respecting and listening to women.

HarriettePotter · 11/03/2017 10:23

(oh and I love her books)

LaContessaDiPlump · 11/03/2017 10:22

I have 'Liked' her FB page so saw it that way - not sure I can just link.

HarriettePotter · 11/03/2017 10:21

Well done Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie Thanks

More of this please.

Fauchelevent · 11/03/2017 10:17

The amount of people reminding CNG that trans women have always been socialised as women and have always experienced misogyny is shocking and remarkably like mansplaining.
What's even more uncomfortable is the amount of people who say "I agree, what she really meant is trans lobby rhetoric!!! Sorry your message got lost in translation!"

All of which are really obvious ways of silencing women!

If little boys who later become trans women grew up experiencing misogyny, then so did gay men and all men who don't conform to the gender stereotypes. Then it completely erases the meaning of misogyny.

QuentinSummers · 11/03/2017 10:17

juniper I might go for VELT (vagina excluding liberal transactivist)

woman12345 · 11/03/2017 10:16

no worries TheXxxxx Smile
We could do with more African sisters over here doing some feminist missionary work to help us out!

QuentinSummers · 11/03/2017 10:16

I read the comments about Nigeria as conflating Nigeria's regressive stance regarding homosexuality with trans rights.
Totally ignoring the fact that a countries politics is not necessarily shared by the people living in the country. And also a totally false equivalence between homosexuality and trans gender

TheXxxxx · 11/03/2017 10:05

woman12345 I was being sarcastic. I know that there is a strong feminist tradition with supporting literature in Nigerian and across the continent as a whole.

MsJuniper · 11/03/2017 09:48

Quentin what about WERT?
(Women Exclusionary Radical Transperson)

woman12345 · 11/03/2017 09:43

Because of course women in Nigeria don't have their own strong feminist tradition and literature
African feminism now has so much to teach the west. Liberia, Rwanda, Sierra Leon have great female representation and power at the moment.

EatSpamAmandaLamb · 11/03/2017 09:31

Is there a link to her FB?

TheXxxxx · 11/03/2017 09:27

*I am revising previous post it appears that men of all ages are pilling on to attempt to discredit her. Brilliant Hmm

AgentCooper · 11/03/2017 09:19

How could anyone reasonably disagree with what she says in that FB post? She is a brilliant woman.

Notafish · 11/03/2017 09:16

Great points Eatspam

TheXxxxx · 11/03/2017 09:14

I find it incredible that there are so many mainly young white men who think Chimamanda a highly educated woman needs schooling and doesn't understand her own opinion.

Kids born post 96' really believe they have a firmer grasp of the topic than she does, I have also seen someone refer to her starting her university education in Nigeria as a possible reasons why she doesn't "get it". I am tired. Because of course women in Nigeria don't have their own strong feminist tradition and literature Hmm

Gender indentity is antithetical to intersectional feminism.