Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie is also Spartacus

I guess you are right. I was just hopeful that it was a concession in the right direction but I am probably being wildly optimistic

MsJuniper

I suspect this is just another subtle move to change the narrative. The new one will be no, of course transwomen don't have the same experience as women, but they are still women though.

The Rachel Willis are typically disingenuous. Lots of people are claiming exactly that.

But I saw Chimamanda on the telly box and had to express my approval. It's not quite as far as I would go, but if it helps to shift mainstream thinking I am with her.

Jeez. I just got reminded of why I generally stay away from trans stuff.

AF, yeah the general call is to "throw terfs in the bin" and calling them trash

It's very very progressive dahling

"Disposing" ?

Brave

I love her. Thank you for being grave.

(Sorry, Racquel Willis that should have been)

Anyone on Twitter see the response from Rachel Willis? Mostly it is critical of CNA but she does include the tweets attached below which I thought was interesting - definite concessions that I haven't usually seen. Is this progress of sorts?

It's a shame they have to do it in such a placating fashion (not mentioning AGP and saying stuff like trans is part of feminism). Based on her previous work and belief, she says everyone should be feminist. Patriarchy is a feminist issue and that's what feminism is trying to tackle. When that is solved. Feminism should be made redundant. The same would apply to trans women too. They can be feminist.
What has become a feminist issue is trans rights encroaching on female issues. making it look the same like we went through the same things growing up. That is why she said transitioning women are transitioning women. They are becoming rather than ascribed at birth. To her biologically they are still men.
Yes! Trans is part of the feminist debate that's why we are having the debate, trying to dissect what it means to be a woman and whether the weight of femininity put upon us defines it.
She made it clear on what is a social construct and what is biology. In one of her talks (not the Chanel4 ) she does give examples of what is biologically female and male even though not referring to trans. She didn't placate anything. She answered it without being rude or transphobic. Even though most trans activist still think she was by pointing out differences and creating a debate.

@Gen funny! Is it not? When lemonade came out, it featured trans women too. They were given a node. But what was made clear is the difference is biological women vs a social contract. I bet lots of people didn't even noticed that. I did. Most people are too hung up in what she wears than what is being portrayed and how. The feminism and race issues is the pinnacle of that album. And the fact that ms Freida features in every formation world tour shows her stance. I cannot see how she would not do that.

Beyonce is transphobic because she assumed everyone was born from their mothers i've heard it all

And yep its begun intersectional feminism demanding CNA throw herself in the bin

Not surprised FB is a shit show, but I've learned Lipstick Alley tends to have good threads on trans:
www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/1154136-Chimamanda-trans-women-are-trans-women-can-t-equate-experience-women?s=c6cd68492cdc51d2e23952d9f773b6c9

One from when Beyonce was denounced as a transphobe: www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/1144347-quot-Beyonce-s-performance-was-transphobic-Not-all-people-come-from-their-mothers-quot?highlight=beyonce+trans

I think FART is a great one.

Well said Beachcomber.

Transwomen issues are not feminist issues.

In all seriousness I think it's a good idea to agree terminology. It has become so easy to shut women down with the TERF label.

Yeah. FART is good although I prefer transactivist. That way we could maybe drive a wedge between most reasonable trans people and TRAS, in the same way as they've tried to do with TERF

The tumblrina's will be stressing about this. It's not so easy for them to demonize a black woman for her opinions...

She's a very impressive woman and I'm absolutely chuffed that she has backed Jenni Murray in this issue. Good for her

I think I like FART - female antagonist radical transfers on.

I'm glad she has spoken out- the comments on her Facebook show a distinct lack of education and understanding of biology. If transwomen and women are the same and always have been, what is it they are transing to?

Good for her and let's hope this plus Jenni will encourage other women to voice their opinions. It's a shame they have to do it in such a placating fashion (not mentioning AGP and saying stuff like trans is part of feminism).

I would love some brave well known woman to voice the idea that feminism is a women's rights movement and that transgenderism is a male rights movement and that it is for transwomen to fight for their right to be feminine men.
As long as there is the stupid insistence that "transwomen are women", feminism and transgenderism will always be in conflict.

The day the trans movement is fighting for transwomen's right to be feminine men is the day the two movements might have something in common.

But I don't see that happening.

And feminists can never get behind the transing of lesbians and children. Unless transgenderism stops worshipping gender it will have nothing in common with feminism but worshipping gender is the bedrock of transgenderism....

(Sorry for negativity)

I've liked her page too, and saw that five of my friends have already liked and shared her posts. I know they're pro trans so this might be interesting!

I'll be honest, I'd never heard of her. I'd also assumed Nigeria to be a deeply patriarchal place where women are expected to do what they're told. Glad to hear a strong feminist voice from there.