Until we organise as well as the transactivists we're not going to stem the problem

& women are complicit in, linked to, prof it ing from peadophile organisations. Pamela freyd being the obvious known name

Well yes criminals & sickos organise in every other type of crime, murderers in gang violence or war crimes, racists in kkk, fuck knows what in mafia's, arms trade, sex trafficking, etc etc why is it so unknown about that peadophiles aren't just social you awkward wierdos in some basement somewhere. They organise & infiltrate irl & online same as any other types of criminals do.

Just googled NAMBLA and PIE.

It's everywhere though, like pp said PIE who publicly published magpie paper along with others, project truth in the US, tones of known peadophile organisations world wide. These are the public known about ones, the ones that campaign for age of consent to be dropped etc. Never mind those that are behind closed doors.

This is the world I grew up on though, I allways find it baffling other people aren't aware this goes on. Imo it's this blindness that is part of why it's able to continue. By it's still ts true of everything.

My lips tremble, as my eyes fill with tears

He was quite happy to hang out with online paedophiles who did abuse children though, because he felt "excluded" by the rest of society.

Salon ran a really nauseating pity piece by one a couple of years ago, claiming he was a benign paedophile because he didn't do anything with it and it was a sexual orientation like being gay. There was a thread about it here and some people bought it. Salon appear to have deleted the piece from their archives now.

They use the once upon a time homosexuality was shuned & now accepted arguement

There aee a number of pro paedophilia organisation out there, NAMBLA etc

They've tried to do it before. PIE.

Paedophilia sanitised?

Peadosexual as in adults (men) who think having sex with children is a sexuality that should be accepted under lgb umbrella

Lots of groups of them link up on social media. TRA's are cover for them.

Wobbly paedsexual? Meaning? In case I am making an incorrect assumption. I don't want to google.

*This is where I become very confused. If it is a disorder, I can understand the logic of the NHS funding treatment (not saying I support, but follow the logic).

If it is not, and is an identity issue (which seems to be the accepted view, Women and Equalities report on Transgender Equality agrees with this view, and self-identification legislation would be based on this) then why is treatment under the NHS available?*

^^Yes. So much of the 'logic' makes no sense. Also the gender and sex argument. If sex is one thing and gender is another and both are fixed but not necessarily matching then why do you need a 'gender reassignment' certificate? You're arguing that you've always been that gender so why does it need to be reassigned and why do you need a certificate?

Flo, yes. Let's all identify as being disabled. Blue badges all round please!

The trans lobby has a vested interest in promoting non psychological treatment, and politically they have successfully worked to have it declassified as a mental health condition

"but the trans activists seem to absolutely reject any suggestion that someone who feels like they don't match the sex of their given body is in any way "disordered". "

Then it's a lifestyle choice. That's find just don't expect any access to female only spaces

This is where I become very confused. If it is a disorder, I can understand the logic of the NHS funding treatment (not saying I support, but follow the logic).

If it is not, and is an identity issue (which seems to be the accepted view, Women and Equalities report on Transgender Equality agrees with this view, and self-identification legislation would be based on this) then why is treatment under the NHS available?

Is there any other "identity" treatment that the NHS funds?

Isn't gender relevant with past crimes though? If male & violent crime likelyhood is that male pattern violence, if female then more likely is self defence against a man (statisticly iirc) & iirc disclosures come in different types/depths (can't use words today) so a mtt who passes could explain away predatory violence towards woman as self defence & be believed. If name & gender not shown then prospective employer (thinking the likes of disabled person who is self employing a carer who has minimal choices of applicants & therefore v vulnerable) can't Google the details & make an informed choice. Gender plays a role in nature of crime & hiding that deceives people

"but the trans activists seem to absolutely reject any suggestion that someone who feels like they don't match the sex of their given body is in any way "disordered". "

Then it's a lifestyle choice. That's find just don't expect any access to female only spaces.

Imagine self-identifying as disabled because you feel your body isn't right and claiming disability benefits and a disability parking permission. Ludicrous.

There's also organised groups on social media arguing that the 'p' (when it's included in lgbtipq - like fucking pie-) should be for peadsexual not pan sexual or poly sexual (which it apparattly does)

Oh, no, I agree entirely with what you say. I entirely mis-spoke there in my response.

I'm not sure what I meant when I said "speak up" except to say that the vocal range wasn't correct - which seems like it isn't really your DD's job anyway to do such a thing.

God, though, it feels like a minefield.

I don't think she'll speak up in the sense of calling this child a girl. Nor should she: the child concerned has a history of serious self-harm pre-transition and seems happier now but precariously so. DD's take was more 'it must be so hard to want to be like all the other boys when he's just really not and everyone knows it.'

We had a chat about how there was no easy answer for people who hated their own bodies so much (I thought this was fair enough given the history), because you simply can't change genetic sex. I did mention that some people come out the other side accepting their bodies are the sex that they are, and that if this happened to 'Charlie', DD and her friends should be equally accepting of her as a girl again. This time DD didn't immediately tell me I was talking rubbish because people 'just ARE trans', which is what would have happened a few months ago.

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Good for your DD. As if young life isn't already difficult to navigate - add this type of ridiculousness and it must be son much more confusing. If she speaks up I hope she is supported!

DD is starting to question the ideology very slightly.

She has a transboy in her form at school. They have separate boys' and girls' choirs, and the boys' choir is intended for broken voices (you can probably see the problem here). The music teacher told 'Charlie' that he didn't need any trebles or sopranos in the boys' choir, thanks. Charlie was clearly upset and protested that his voice wasn't soprano, it was falsetto.

DD is very fond of her classmate and quite happy to call them a boy, but she does know her music, and she was astonishingly indignant at the misnaming of a vocal range.

I agree with you Nelloo. I personally think that's what gender dysphoria is. The trans lobby has a vested interest in promoting non psychological treatment, and politically they have successfully worked to have it declassified as a mental health condition.