Until we organise as well as the transactivists we're not going to stem the problem

Also, I don't understand how they urinate "like a woman"?

This is all just too much.

Look, I'm not usually confused about these things but can someone explain to me how the vagina panties make penetrative sex possible for someone with a penis? Does this mean they can use their penis to penetrate or they are penetrated in a faux vagina made in the panties?

And YES vagina panties are designed for transwomen. Who the hell else is going to buy them

No one, and they can only be meant for posing, looking at/photographing oneself wearing them. It's actually sickening.

Will go and support Samira on Twitter

I know this is geographically limited, but did anyone else see this article in the London Standard by Samira Ahmed about gender neutral toilets at the Barbican?

(She's also just posted on Twitter that women are not non-men).

The transactivists are probably already organising their hate campaign so I'm going to write to the Standard tonight expressing agreement & appreciation.

Sorry Charlie!

Having a fetish is a particularly male issue. I'm sooo long past the 'OMG you think all transwomen are perverts, you bigot'.

Frankly, I don't care if they are or not. All this has served to do is to show exactly how many bloody pervs there are out there, trans or not.

And YES vagina panties are designed for transwomen. Who the hell else is going to buy them?

Datun

I can never unsee those 'vagina panties'

They have no idea. Sounds like an interpretation from Sally met Harry orgasm envy much :)

Multiple orgasms (now we're talking) are great but carrying and birthing children!!!! Creating and nuturing life, now that's fucking awesome. Wombs rock :)

"...the postop woman does not have to constantly suppress her arousals like men do. She can let herself get aroused any time she wants to, and can stay aroused for long periods of time without others “seeing anything”, just as many other women do (this is another reason so many women smile a lot!)"

Said no woman ever.

I think they may have got their fantasies from this article. (And they try and tell you autogynephilia's not a thing...)

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2014/08/22/transvestic-body-sculpting-what-sex-reassignment-surgery-can-do-for-you/#comments

The third comment from the end is interesting as it contains some proper information.

I know, but if you look on Reddit and such they're all claiming multiple orgasms, screaming and writhing, naturally lubricating and are statistically far more reliably orgasmic than women so maybe the author of the piece is just unlucky or maybe they are all fantasists. I hope that realistic expectations are set prior to surgery.

CharlieSierra

Sad and awful. The desire to have sex as the object of your desire has led to this.

Don't anyone tell me this is not a mental health issue. And the medical profession should be bloody well ashamed of themselves

Charlie - how utterly sad that Refinery article is.

How can the medical professionals that perform these surgeries sleep at night knowing the potential harm they are causing? It seems like this writer's dreams are far from fulfilled, even though she insists she "loves her pussy".

So going back to the earlier questions about the constructed parts.....

www.refinery29.uk/transgender-vagina-surgery

CoolJazz

Yes you're right, of course. Lesbians on Gendertrender get very sad for younger lesbians who reject their female sex by transitioning. They're all for rejecting femininity, but rejoicing in being female.

Whereas I think girls trying to escape the male gaze are rejecting being female and femininity is the first casualty to go.

I've copied this from another thread, it's from, ironically, Everyday Feminism.

Warning: headfuck

"What this means is that trans women who stop taking HRT for a few months can reverse sterilization and become pregnant with viable sperm."

Front hole is nothing, we have pomegranit pee pee, doudleberrys & naughty doudleberrys

& there are you tube vids of transwomen putting tampons in

I think the 'failing femininity' thing is confined to those who are probably lesbians. From what I have read of lesbian blogs, being butch is very common and embraced. It probably has something to do with men being so irrelevant to your life that any kind of performance of feminimity is meaningless. (and I have to say, although I'm not a lesbian, it sometimes sounds quite tempting).

Gendertrender has been one hell of an eye-opening resource for me. It is run by a lesbian who takes no prisoners.

There is ZERO motivation to appease, collaborate with, or include men.

It's actually rather fascinating to see that in action. Despite what I think about myself, I have concluded that there is still an element of internalised sexism in me (in favour of men). When you see women who simply don't have that, it does clarify the difference between the sexes.

The women on that blog don't give a fuck what they say, how they say it, or who they offend (in terms of men). This very attitude provokes instant rage. They are repeatedly told by transwomen that it's not necessary to be angry with 'just lil ole me who lurrves women and means no harm'. When they are informed that no one cares, the gloves come off, the facade drops with a thud and the abuse comes a-frothing. Good old, real, ragingly misogynistic abuse.

Fascinating, yes, but rather depressing at the same time.

I think with teenage girls it's very likely to be an escape from objectification and harassment. I know that the first time a grown man ogled and commented on my breasts I was only 11 years old and still at junior school.

Do you think teenage girls claiming to be trans, are using it as way to avoid any sexual intimacy, which seems scary at that point in their life?

I think the reason why men and women transition are entirely different.

For girls, I think it is sometimes fear of coming out as a lesbian (internalised homophobia) or sometimes a way of identifying out of their vulnerability. So if they have seen their mother beaten by their father, for instance, identifying as male is a means of avoiding that herself in future and also being able to protect her mother.

It's also a means of identifying with the more powerful class, thereby, again, identifying out of your vulnerability.

It's no surprise that there are more girls identifying as boys coinciding with the social media driven objectification of girls. Sexual harassment of girls is rife in schools. I see transitioning for girls as a form of Teflon coating.

I think women identify as men as a means to avoid the disadvantage of being female. Men identify as women in order to seek what they think is the advantage of being a woman e.g. put on a pedestal, courted, treated as a princess.

One is trying to leave something behind, the other is trying to gain something.

CoolJazz

Most of them are gay, so I don't think having a penis is much of a prerequisite. But in answer to your question, I don't know. I have to steel myself to think about it, much less look it up!

And lastly, from what I have read, puberty blockers will stop the penis from developing, so to make a new vagina will require the use of other parts of the anatomy (I think the colon traditionally, but that might outdated now as it caused more problems than it solved).