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Until we organise as well as the transactivists we're not going to stem the problem

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dorade · 09/03/2017 10:13

Everyone, regardless of race, creed or sex is entitles to the same human rights.

I have three issues with much of the current trans ideology:

  1. The erosion of women's spaces, sports, achievements and quotas by biological males who wish to identify as females.
  1. The transing (and therefore subjection to lifelong medical treatments, invasive surgery and potential sterilisation) of children for failure to comply with societally-imposed gender norms.
  1. The erasure of lesbians, either by transing of potentially lesbian girls or by transwomen claiming to be lesbians.

The trans lobby is vocal and well funded. They have found an enormously soft target in schools/government/social care, all of whom unsurprisingly associate transgender with gay and lesbian issues and don't want to repeat the bigotry that gay and lesbian people were (and are) subjected to. Identity is not the same as sexual orientation. A person's sexual orientation treads on no-one else's rights. The same cannot be said for gender identity.

When articles, such as the recent transgender rapist one, appear in the press, the vast majority of comments show that the public is not fooled. Yet people keep quiet so as not to appear bigoted, thus allowing the movement to steamroller on at the expense of women and children.

I believe that the main target for opposition should be in our schools. Organisations such as Gires and Gendered Intelligence distribute material that promotes ideas such as pink and blue brains and that any child can choose whether to be a girl or a boy to impressionable children, backed up by teachers. Opposition to this is needed and it is not happening in any concerted way. I think a backlash has every chance of succeeding as there is huge latent support for it.

The average person in the street knows little to nothing of trans issues, but is likely to believe that a transwoman will have had his penis removed. The fact that in 2 weeks' time the Government is going to be debating replacing sex with gender identity as a protected characteristic is way off the radar of 99% of the population.

Mumsnet is brilliant in debating these issues, but we need to take it to the next level.

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Iris65 · 10/03/2017 14:38

Looked up mermaids in the trans context. Looks like an interesting group. Of course all groups have their own agenda😉
But thanks for the heads up and apologies that I assumed it was insult! 😂
Still laughing that anyone can think I'm a troll also a bit hurt

Hurradieweltgehtunter · 10/03/2017 14:33

I read an interesting blog written by a trans woman (FAQ on sillyolme.wordpress.com) which looks at scientific evidence. They claim that "in Western nations, 70 to 90% of transsexuals are the AGP type, the majority will be transitioning in mid-adult life."
AGP= autogynephile, ie men that get aroused dressing as women.
They say this type of trans is completely distinct from younger trans kids. (There's lots on the blog we probably would want to challenge, but I thought this was very interesting)
I think whilst most would be sympathetic to the needs of "transkids" (as described in the blog), autogynephiles are of particular concern.
Raising attention of this phenomenon is tricky without the bigot label though :/

BevGoldbergsSister · 10/03/2017 14:30

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Iris65 · 10/03/2017 14:27

Have I just been called a troll? Oh my. And what is a mermaid in this context?
Another example of the level of discourse in this thread.

Iris65 · 10/03/2017 14:25

Hey, MaryTheCanary

Your post is an excellent model of how to turn people off this campaign:
Offensive, trivialising language, lazy stereotyping and extremist positions.
Check, check and check.
Congratulations you have hit the jackpot 👏

DJBaggySmalls · 10/03/2017 14:23

I add my vote for 3 options; men, women and unisex spaces that can be used by anyone.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 10/03/2017 14:22

The TRAs / mermaid trolls seem to be active on mumsnet lately ...

Iris65 · 10/03/2017 14:21

Hope you get the support that you need scissorsisters

Cool name btw.

Iris65 · 10/03/2017 14:19

Today I've woken up feeling like a man.
Good for you. Unfortunately it doesn't mean that your gender will be recognised. For that you will have to go through a rigorous legal process in order to have your changed gender identity make any difference to your access to any services etc

The process can take months and or years. But good luck anyway 😀.

Stopmakingsense · 10/03/2017 14:10

Spread far and wide!

CoolJazz · 10/03/2017 14:10

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PageNowFoundFileUnderSpartacus · 10/03/2017 13:56

How about having the actual thread in FWR and linking to it periodically in a series of Chat threads? Is that allowed under MN rules?

PageNowFoundFileUnderSpartacus · 10/03/2017 13:53

Yes, when I originally suggested pages ago that we stick to "unisex" I was a) referring to the terminology of spaces that are segregated by dint of biology and b) not suggesting any such unisex spaces should be a replacement; they should be in addition to M/F. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

OverthinkingSpartacus · 10/03/2017 13:51

wonder if OverthinkingSpartacus, should start a thread explaining how to set up an anonymous account and how to send her the details, so that we can register in on thread that for her to track? That could organise the twitter side of the campaign?

I'm happy to do this.

I've made a start on the list of Twitter names from the PMs I've already received. It's only the Twitter name that will be shared with other mumsnetters and your MN username won't be given out with the Twitter name.

I have a little time this afternoon and can start writing a seperate thread just for the Twitter stuff, with a guide on creating a Twitter account etc and get it posted hopefully today but if not, it will be tomorrow.

I can also include instructions to the download the apk for the (it's not on play store) vpn app I use on Android that can be side loaded and will hide your IP address for those concerned about that.

Where would it be best to post it? Feminism is the obvious answer but if people have that topic hidden or avoid this section would it be off in chat? But then it'll disappear after so long so may not be that great there either?

BevGoldbergsSister · 10/03/2017 13:48

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LTBiscuits · 10/03/2017 13:46

I didn't want to be a girl/women either when I was a teen, not because I "felt" like a man but because it was hard being a women and I didn't see any alternatives to suffering through it. None of that is because of my gender but because of the patriarchal system we live in

^^This

PageNowFoundFileUnderSpartacus · 10/03/2017 13:45

Are her previous tweets supportive of our position? If so, then no objection.

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 10/03/2017 13:44

IN what she's using them for

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 10/03/2017 13:43

Can we see her posts? I'd be interested what she is using them for and what the responses are.

Datun · 10/03/2017 13:41

Fine by me Bev. The more people read about this, the better they can deal with the attempts to shut them down.

I'm massively encouraged over people realising what is going on. That Jenni Murray article has stirred a sleeping beast.

WobblyLegs5 · 10/03/2017 13:41

Fine with twitter

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 10/03/2017 13:37

Just place marking - will read through later.

BevGoldbergsSister · 10/03/2017 13:37

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WobblyLegs5 · 10/03/2017 13:34

Would this work for other female spaces?

Pressumabley if there's a small unisex ward in a mh hospitals then anyone trans can use it. And then hcp can carefully choose non threatening males or females who are less vulnerable/don't have a history of sa to use the other beds? (Because we know all beds are needed)

Prisions could work the same. And in the US they sometimes do, with mtt being housed with elderly males in a wing for those vulnerable to the violent male population. Although ofcourse it is the mtt who are the rapists sometimes...

Refuges, if they have demand, could create smaller safe spaces for non female victims. And males are victims at times as well as transfolk.

Obviously all of this needs money, but is it feasible from the above or what have I not thought of?

Children should just be left well alone. Vaginas one bog, penis' the other. And actively, agressively start teaching them that gender is meaningless and that boys must be respectful and tolerate to all boys. Including those who prefer dresses and long hair.

enoughisenough12 · 10/03/2017 13:34

Wow - what a lot of progress.
Like others, I'm especially bothered by the CPS pack for the schools - the Crown Prosecution Service fgs!
Maybe the TES (Time Education Supplement) would like to take a look and comment on the silencing of girls.
I did idly wonder whether the CPS are going to produce guidelines for pregnant persons women, hospital patients, those who have been sexually assaulted to explain how asking to be seen by a HCP of the same sex or to be treated on a single sex ward is transphobic / a hate crime?