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Until we organise as well as the transactivists we're not going to stem the problem

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dorade · 09/03/2017 10:13

Everyone, regardless of race, creed or sex is entitles to the same human rights.

I have three issues with much of the current trans ideology:

  1. The erosion of women's spaces, sports, achievements and quotas by biological males who wish to identify as females.
  1. The transing (and therefore subjection to lifelong medical treatments, invasive surgery and potential sterilisation) of children for failure to comply with societally-imposed gender norms.
  1. The erasure of lesbians, either by transing of potentially lesbian girls or by transwomen claiming to be lesbians.

The trans lobby is vocal and well funded. They have found an enormously soft target in schools/government/social care, all of whom unsurprisingly associate transgender with gay and lesbian issues and don't want to repeat the bigotry that gay and lesbian people were (and are) subjected to. Identity is not the same as sexual orientation. A person's sexual orientation treads on no-one else's rights. The same cannot be said for gender identity.

When articles, such as the recent transgender rapist one, appear in the press, the vast majority of comments show that the public is not fooled. Yet people keep quiet so as not to appear bigoted, thus allowing the movement to steamroller on at the expense of women and children.

I believe that the main target for opposition should be in our schools. Organisations such as Gires and Gendered Intelligence distribute material that promotes ideas such as pink and blue brains and that any child can choose whether to be a girl or a boy to impressionable children, backed up by teachers. Opposition to this is needed and it is not happening in any concerted way. I think a backlash has every chance of succeeding as there is huge latent support for it.

The average person in the street knows little to nothing of trans issues, but is likely to believe that a transwoman will have had his penis removed. The fact that in 2 weeks' time the Government is going to be debating replacing sex with gender identity as a protected characteristic is way off the radar of 99% of the population.

Mumsnet is brilliant in debating these issues, but we need to take it to the next level.

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Cocolepew · 10/03/2017 19:46

Marking my place.
Great thread.

WorldWideWish · 10/03/2017 19:44

I agree with Thelilywhite. I've contacted my MP by email before now (about a different issue) and had no response, but when I wrote to him by snail mail I got a reply.

I've written to him about this issue.

Thelilywhite · 10/03/2017 19:40

Re letter to MP before next reading in the house, I am now aware that emailed templates are ignored and someone on another thread suggested writing and sending by snail mail. Im going to do that this week as I have emailed my MP four times about the bill and had no answer. I was getting disheartened until I read this thread, Am thinking if all the outraged women on these threads all wrote and all tweaked that would be a decent number.

Scissorcisters · 10/03/2017 19:16

Also when posting on facebook you can exclude certain people from viewing your post by changing the privacy options.

Thelilywhite · 10/03/2017 19:14

Oh and I'm also going to write to the CPS and thanks to posters for sharing their own eloquent letters which I hope you don't mind me shamelessly using!

BevGoldbergsSister · 10/03/2017 19:10

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Thelilywhite · 10/03/2017 19:10

Catching up,been reading all trans related threads and def up for joining in with online stuff, so glad this thread is here. Oleana I also would like a guide to twitter as you mentioned. I someone would be so kind to this old technophobe☺

BevGoldbergsSister · 10/03/2017 19:08

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Scissorcisters · 10/03/2017 18:53

Most ip addresses are generic for the larger providers and change every day, the general area may be noted.

The companies or security services could track them back but individuals can not. You can use a proxy should you wish to be extra safe but it shouldn't be necessary unless you have a private IP. That would be unusual but ask your internet provider.

Don't use real names. In fact I wonder what the group anonymous make about this they are normally hot on abuse of children. I work in IT just don't use any identifying facts. whatismyipaddress.com/find-me

DanaBarrett · 10/03/2017 18:46

Can I draw your attention to this news article please? globalnews.ca/news/3300518/concerns-over-transgender-client-at-okanagan-shelter/

Datun · 10/03/2017 18:34

OverthinkingSpartacus

Can I ask you something else about Twitter. If I open an account, what about the IP address?

How do people manage to go about doxxing. Even if you have an unrecognisable email, how do they do the rest if it's not through the IP? I believe the IP links to your location, is that right?

Datun · 10/03/2017 18:32

GinevraFanshawe

Thank goodness. But it only goes to show how twitchy everyone is. As someone said upthread, there is safety in numbers.

GinevraFanshawe · 10/03/2017 18:23

Oh no. Cool jazz and thisisouting, it was me who PMd because I remembered someone had mentioned linking up on twitter & I couldn't remember who. Just wanted to reassure you I'm not "infiltrating" or a troll. I'll PM you both my twitter handle and you can see from my tweets I'm not a TA. Sorry for the faux pas.

EmpressoftheMundane · 10/03/2017 17:48

Genius post witchinghour!

You nailed it.

yellowfrog · 10/03/2017 17:40

Placemarking. I've written to my MP - will post if I hear anything

jellyfrizz · 10/03/2017 17:35

So when people say gender we can say 'oh you mean sex role stereotypes', this allows the innateness and mythical definition of gender to be challenged very early on.

I am going to start doing this immediately.

hambo · 10/03/2017 17:16

I am on holidays but have a massive list for when I return. Just marking my place so I can do all the things discussed. So relieved to have found you all!!!!!

sl0wlybutshirley · 10/03/2017 17:15

I hardly every post these days but wanted to voice support. Some fantastic lucid, reasoned posts here, and on other threads, thanks for all the work you are doing to make more people aware of the issues and prompting me to think about ways of taking action/ spreading the word.

WobblyLegs5 · 10/03/2017 17:15

Bev dr lise elliot 2015 meta analysis of over 60 or 70 odd peer reviewed studies proves that are birth, before the effect of hormones and lived experiences on use dependant brains, male and female brains are functionally exactly the same. Just Google her name.

There are tones more expert names in the field, but a meta analysis in comparison to the pink/blue brain 'evidence' of non peer reviewed handful of small studies where males had already taken female hormones for a considerable period of time is hard to ignore.

We could also contact Dr elliot & her colleges to see if they would offer support or a voice

OverthinkingSpartacus · 10/03/2017 17:12

You should be able to use email to create Twitter accounts instead of a phone number.

I've just took a screenshot on the sign up page and there's an option to use email instead. If you select that the. You can sign up via email instead of phone.

If you don't want to use regular email address then creating a gmail is easy.

I'm just about to start writing a thread and will link here once done.

Until we organise as well as the transactivists we're not going to stem the problem
WobblyLegs5 · 10/03/2017 17:08

Witching - or they have vagina envy. Where's freud when you need him??

BagelGoesWalking · 10/03/2017 17:06

Thanks Stop for the Twitter names. I've followed them all and a few more.

PageNowFoundFileUnderSpartacus · 10/03/2017 17:03

'Sex role stereotypes' - perfect.

BevGoldbergsSister · 10/03/2017 16:58

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conkercola · 10/03/2017 16:57

Brilliant post WitchingHour666