Until we organise as well as the transactivists we're not going to stem the problem

If people want links I've got hundreds!

I have been following these threads for a long time and, like many of you , have changed my view from being tolerant and 'kind', to being outraged at what is being expected of women.

Someone suggested a thread for reference.
Please do that.
I have initiated this subject with everyone I know for months and have been horrified that highly educated, supposedly well informed people are oblivious.
They look at me with disbelief, thinking I've finally lost touch with reality!

Who can blame them really.

I can never remember and often not find the references to send them.

A dedicated thread would be incredibly helpful.

I know that with the same information that I've read, thanks to you wonderful people, my friends and aquaintances would see the light and spread the word.

Here is a video of a talk about the social and political construction of transgenderism, perhaps it could be added to the references thread.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=DTPgmTVt5_Q

Bev incorrect facts about things like intersex,

Can you specify what I have posted which is factually incorrect?

Sorry I haven't been posting, but I do have other things to do - like most on MN!

Nothing to add yet, but just wanted to let you all know you are amazing

As another believer in biology over feelz I'm 100% in.

I really struggle to keep up with long threads though and basically need there to be a place that concisely tells us what to do - person to write to, petition to sign etc.

I'm in for activism. I like the references thread idea, that would be perfect when you need a good source to refute bad science and crime stats.

"I feel like we need to get gay men involved. This whole agenda seems really homophobic to me."

It is homophobic, but it is mostly lesbians that are affected by it in day to day life. I really don't think you will see gay men turning against this anytime soon. I have spoken to many gay men, most have sympathy even for autogynephiliacs and think their fetishises should be accepted. Some gay men are mildly pissed off that autos do not like them performing drag as they consider it transphobic, but apart from that, there is are very few gay men critical about it.

Gay men are not really affected by any of this on a personal basis, as heterosexual women who trans cannot put as much pressure on gay men to date them like heterosexual men can lesbians. Gay men just say piss off, they are only a minor inconvenience to them, therefore there is much less motivation for them. Many gay men unfortunately are also very misogynistic themselves, it was after all a gay man who started all this woman's brain trapped in the wrong body nonsense to explain why gay men were gay. Gay men for the most part seem perfectly happy to throw younger more "feminine" gay men under the bus.

Lesbians on the other hand are being targeted by autogynephiliacs and told they should accept these men as partners or they are "transphobic" bigots. If they still like Ftt they are expected to call themselves bisexual, or pansexual in order to pretend the woman they partnering with is really a man. Lesbian clubs and meeting places are nonexistent now, they are all "queer" spaces, which are mixed. Gay men in contrast still have their own spaces, where they exclude women. It is lesbians who the trans agenda affects mostly, the majority of gay men do not really have a problem with it.

I think their main weapon is social media. The truth is there is many people who will read social media as the truth as long as it's trending.

Of course mumsnet is social media, but is only relevant to people looking, it doesn't have the same impact as Facebook or twitter.

I am sure there are marketing experts, website builders etc etc on this thread, I am willing to lend my project management and business analysis skills to a good project!

Look up Laurie Penny on twitter. Depressing.

I'm in, but beyond the CPS and my MP (who won't be interested or listen as he's got bigger fish to fry) I'm not sure what I can do

I've just complained to the CPS using the link posted by Pencils above

CPS complaints

Good thinking fruitloving

Can transwomen menstruate, fall pregnant and give birth? Thought not.

Really worried about this issue now. I have nothing against a man thinking he's a women. What I don't agree with is, a man with a fully functioning dick, dressed like a stereotypical woman, accessing women only protected areas and then harming, raping, disrespecting women.

Fucking misogynist pigs, that's what they are.

"I also think it would help on our references thread to have a few articles to link too which disprove the pink/ blue brain theory."

As well as including meta studies that debunk brain sex, I think it would also be useful to have studies that support the fact that the brain is plastic and changes with behaviours, thoughts etc. There are plenty of studies available on this, for example there are some that demonstrate how areas of London taxi drivers brains changes when they learn "the knowledge", there are some that show the brains of ballet dancers change when they learn to pirouette. As well as a whole plethora of studies on how cognitive behaviour therapy causes changes in the brain in people suffering from a whole host of emotional problems. This all supports the view that there is no such thing as a brain that is fixed in a pre-programmed manner like the ta's suggest.

I think we need to make it clear that neuro connections or brain shapes that fMRI scans show are not static, they can be altered by changing behaviour, thought pattens etc. This means that the size of areas of brains and the neuro connections that form in our brains are caused by our behaviour and thoughts, which in turn are influenced by our experiences, both cultural and personal. In other words there is no such thing as a female or male brain, unless it refers to a brain that belongs to a female, much like saying a female liver, or a female heart.

I feel like we need to get gay men involved. This whole agenda seems really homophobic to me. Particularly when it comes to transing kids and sports people. The Iranian women's soccer team is a good example.
I'm guessing most LGBT lobby groups get a considerable part of their funding from the G members so turning opinion in the gay community could have real impact.

FOI's could be useful.

I've not saved the link to the CPS guidance so I don't know how long it's been up. If it's new guidance that won't have been adopted by schools yet it's worth objecting directly to the CPS. If it's a few months old it might be worth doing a FOI request to find out which schools have adopted their guidance, and also objecting directly to the CPS.

Anybody can submit a FOI request to find out what their child is being taught about LGBT issues at school, what resources they are using and where those resources come from.

I'm in. I'm appalled at that CPS document. DH & I fell out over this issue massively last night. I need to learn how to use Twitter though...

I have had success already with the method I mentioned above. I have converted three young random women that I found via political discussions on facebook. Two were halfway there already, but one was posting videos of the odious Riley J Dennis claiming he was biologically female (???) just a few days ago. Now she is getting angry about the whole thing and cannot believe that women are being mistreated so badly.

I'm pretty sure this is how we turn the tide. Data, ideas, calm and reasonable debate... all underground, all out of the glare of the public eye, so we don't put ourselves at risk. A silent, bloodless revolution. But to do it we have to get out into social media and find potential people to convert. Find them on a post that is related to the issue. Engage them in courteous debate then offer to explain more via private messaging.

Maybe see if there is a way also to contact journos who might be sympathetic. I feel often as if some female Grauniad journos dance around the issue, like they're not quite comfortable with it but they know they can't say so, so they pay lip service to the issue but say little else.

This is a battle of ideas, but the usual way societies discuss ideas has been entirely subverted and destroyed by the crypto-fascists of the regressive left, so we have to do it on the sly. We don't actually need money and power to do it. We just need facts, patience, and the internet.

Was directed to this post by BevGoldberg and CoolJazz.

I apologise if someone else has already posted a similar idea but I wanted to share my plan asap because I'm feeling excited - will back-read the thread afterwards to get other posters' ideas.

So - C/P from what I wrote in another thread - we need another strategy, one that fits with our lives, one that doesn't put us at risk from physical violence, so here's my proposal: we need to go underground, we need to start stealth-converting fence-sitters. Don't bother with men, though I don't want to be sexist, the issue is too abstract for them to fully understand; they don't know what it is to fear male-bodied people. And they already benefit too much from the system, and deep down most men still have a residual mistrust of hysterical, bitchy, cliquey females and especially feminists who aren't the "fun kind", to quote Dworkin.

Focus on women - young, liberal, well-meaning women, those who are drawn to support trans ideology because they want to be kind. Find them on any social network. Ask them what they think the root of female oppression is and where "gender" actually originated. Make sure you explain to them how homophobic the transing of gay children it is, how conservative an ideology it actually is. You need to talk about Iran, how it has one of the highest rates of SRS in the world, and is essentially used to disappear gays and lesbians from society - a society which will otherwise execute them. From this you can also talk about the danger of including MtF trans people in women's sports - a photo of the Iranian "women's" football team, 8 of which are biological males, should be an eye-opener here.

You need facts too - make sure they understand that for all the bleating of privileged white western TW activists about the murder of trans people, the TW killed are almost exclusively people of colour from poor backgrounds who work as prostitutes. Every single TW killed this year in the US is either black or native american. They are murdered by homophobic, misogynistic johns . No police raid of the home of a TW-murder suspect has ever uncovered a large stash of radical feminist literature. No person who killed a TW has ever cited Sheila Jeffreys as a key influence. No murderer is arrested clutching a copy of "the second sex" by Simone de Beauvoir. White TAs cynically appropriate the murders of these women in order to shut women up and gain liberal sympathies for their political cause. This practice must be stopped, and armed with knowledge we can do it.

Lupron (the puberty blocker commonly used in young trans children) is another weapon we can use. Touted constantly by the fact-resistant TAs and the sadly complicit liberal media as completely safe and reversible, it seems that for a long time the opposite has been true. Lupron has been used for many years to delay early-onset puberty in young girls or as a fertility drug for women, and there are grave concerns about its safety. It seems that severe degenerative bone loss is one of the main issues, though you can read more here www.nwhn.org/lupron-what-does-it-do-to-womens-health/ and here www.hormonesmatter.com/lupron-victims-advocate/ www.lupronvictimshub.com/ rxisk.org/lupron-a-nightmare-produced-in-abbvie/
note how all the sources cited are unconnected with transing children - the stories are all about women who have used the drug for infertility or little girls going through puberty during early childhood. In this way we can see they are not partisan - the erasure of doubts surrounding puberty blockers, and the suppression of attempts to talk about this however, is absolutely partisan.

Pages behind, won't catch up for days but @Pepvixen thank you.

I have questions -

How does an organisation decide whose guidance to adopt? E.g. how did the CPS decide to adopt GIRES guidance and not guidance from another org? How does a school decide what LGBT resources to use for PHSE? What oversight is there?

How do we challenge guidance that is not backed by law?

Sorry to bombard you with questions, don't worry if you don't know, I'm just asking on the off-chance you do

I had no reply to my email so I finally got round to sending one by post. I referenced the email and just wrote a new letter. Maybe he will reply this time, though he's snp so I'm not holding out much hope. I also hand wrote it and made it more personal than just stating facts and stuff.

I am fully in support. Just to check though, sorry if this has been covered already, but isnt the Bill proposing to replace 'gender reassignment' with 'gender identity' - not replace 'sex' with 'gender identity'?
'A Bill to make gender identity a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010 in place of gender reassignment'

Ive just created the Twitter thread.

Here

I'm going out for a little while soon but will catch up on this thread and check back as often as I can.