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Triple-double peak trans extra-ultra.

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Miffer · 06/03/2017 22:14

I literally cannot even begin to imagine the level of cognitive dissonance the writer of this article had to employ.

Sorry if this is a repost.

And sorry for not really offering a point of view or starting point for discussion.... but.... just look...

www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/seen-missing-woman-dressed-man-seen-derbyshire/story-29207361-detail/story.html

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EnidColeslaw771 · 07/03/2017 08:21

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MorrisZapp · 07/03/2017 08:06

Crikey. If ever the 'body of Baywatch, face of Crimewatch' acronym was needed eh. That is one ugly bastard.

But yes, when the public is asked to hunt down a violent rapist before he attacks any more teenagers, it's imperative we don't misgender him. Her. Christ this is confusing.

Perfect timing, along with Jenni Murray's piece. Maybe the world will see see some unpalatable truths at last.

TinfoilHattie · 07/03/2017 08:05

To be fair, this case was on Crimewatch last night and they were very clear that this person was Craig, now calls herself Lisa and wants to be recognised as female and they showed pictures of this person as both a man and a woman, said she had previously been a man.

However the wording on the Crimewatch website is just as bad www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/vz0g2KwjxYsG1dDFGQGlWx/lisa-hauxwell as it gives the impression (if you don't look at the picture) that Lisa has always been Lisa and may be wearing men's clothes as a disguise where I would argue it's the other way round.

Fairyflaps · 07/03/2017 08:01

This is from the evidence of the British Psychological Society to the Transgender Equality Enquiry data.parliament.uk/WrittenEvidence/CommitteeEvidence.svc/EvidenceDocument/Women%20and%20Equalities/Transgender%20Equality/written/19471.html
The BPS statement on the whole was very supportive of transgender people and their rights, but this piece of evidence suggests that male sex offenders could well be over-represented in the trans community, and is a good argument against self-declaration without additional safeguards.

Triple-double peak trans extra-ultra.
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QuentinSummers · 07/03/2017 07:55

Actually what high says shows how totally ridiculous it is to define people based on gender identity alone.
"Police Hunt women who may be dressed as a man and uses names Lisa and Craig" complete with photo of a very male presenting person is totally confusing and ridiculous.
Police Hunt person accused of sexual assault - followed by the fact this person uses male and female details and a photo - accurate and totally unconfusing.

The "bad apple" analogy is getting boring the more these cases come to light.

ChocChocPorridge · 07/03/2017 06:37

Well OK, lets not let one bad apple sour the bunch, but do we really have to call that bad apple and orange wearing an apple skin? Even though we're trying to catch a violent criminal and it's an inaccurate description?

Gallavich · 07/03/2017 06:36

The trans community is protected by law and the article was compliant.

The law is an ass

Brytie · 07/03/2017 06:30

I agree. How many of these cases does there have to be before we don't have to accept 'it's an isolated incident'? For how long are we supposed to sit back and accept that it is more wrong to call a man he than it is for a violent rapist to be recorded in crime stats as a woman?

Fairyflaps · 07/03/2017 06:01

The reporting matters. If the photos hadn't been included, people would have been looking for a cross dressing woman. Like missing out the race when describing a missing person (though if they do you can probably assume they're talking about a white person - whole other issue).
What is a woman dressed as a man anyway? For a woman to be considered as cross dressing they usually have to go OTT drag- think suit or tux. Wearing trousers or other men's clothes is just wearing clothes.
Other issue here is disproportionately large number of male sex offenders declaring themselves transgender, usually soon after being imprisoned. So it is not just one bad apple. It is a lot of bad men declaring themselves to be female. And quite a strong argument against gender identification by declaration.

LuisCarol · 07/03/2017 01:59

Don't label all transitioning people by one bad apple.

No one is doing that. People are saying TRA's are behaving almost indistinguishably from MRA's. In this specific case "women do it too!" (except they don't, and that's actually summed up neatly in this case)

People are human above gender.

aka All lives matter.

highinthesky · 07/03/2017 01:24

A highly unpleasant character as the second article shows, but the original article was perfectly appropriate in its wording.

The trans community is protected by law and the article was compliant. Don't label all transitioning people by one bad apple. People are human above gender.

OverthinkingSpartacus · 07/03/2017 01:16

Looks like his victims are teenage girls.

Clicking on the link in my screenshots takes you to generic crime watch page.

Triple-double peak trans extra-ultra.
OverthinkingSpartacus · 07/03/2017 00:46

I'm near aycliffe and hadn't heard of this until now.

Thats a man. A violent rapist. I hope if they find him alive he does not get put in a female prison.

I'm more concerned about the safety and well being of his victims. It must be very stressful knowing he isn't locked up where he belongs.

joystir59 · 06/03/2017 23:34

I'm sick of the fucking liberal feminist pronoun police! He is a man. I refuse to call MTT people 'she'. They do not have the right to my pronoun, they do not have to right to rename me 'cis'. They are not and never will be women.
I'm sick to death of being accused of misgendering men, when gender isn't even a thing. I'm sick of sex being called gender. I'm sick of my biological reality being called into question by men who hate women. And even more sick of women telling me I'm misgendering misogynistic men. BUT- more and more women ARE reaching peak trans- I really think we just have to hold our nerve and the tide will turn.

Miffer · 06/03/2017 23:32

Funnily enough the name change is not unrelated to the topic. I tried originally as I wanted to post regarding my profession but was too scared to have any possible link to my real identity after airing such controversial views as "women don't have dicks". As it was I couldn't be arsed, good job really.

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MyHappyPerfume · 06/03/2017 23:27

Oh for tuck sake I wish I had never played with the name change thing I dont understand it at all. I am Miffer

DioneTheDiabolist · 06/03/2017 23:19
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MyHappyPerfume · 06/03/2017 23:08

late last year so presumably wasn't a convicted rapist at the time the 'museum's article was written.

Indeed but a swift Google search of the term "accused rapist missing" shows that a lack conviction doesn't usually preclude the press reporting that a person is accused of rape.

MrsKCastle · 06/03/2017 22:58

No idea where 'museum's came from in my post.

Oh and Cornflake, thanks for the gif.. I need to go and watch some Firefly now!

MrsKCastle · 06/03/2017 22:55

The original link is an old one from when the Individual first went missing. They were only sentenced (in their absence) late last year so presumably wasn't a convicted rapist at the time the 'museum's article was written.

Still the cognitive dissonance involved at the 'woman dressed as a man's headline is massive.

AssassinatedBeauty · 06/03/2017 22:55

Sorry, fakename, auto correct fail...

MyHappyPerfume · 06/03/2017 22:54

Okay so...

Committed offences in 2001/2002
Charged in 2015 -As a man under his real name.
Article I linked in OP published in May 2016
Sentenced in November 2016

AssassinatedBeauty · 06/03/2017 22:52

filename I think the point is that he should be in prison serving the 14 year sentence.