Girls' school allows pupils to identify as boys

The only problem here would surely be, if they started admitting male pupils who 'identified' as female.

I went to that school and even then there were girls who dressed as boys, it just wasn't formally recognised. There's no uniform. One of the girls in my sister's year has since had gender reorientation surgery and is now fully a man.

Oh, no sexed areas in an all girls school. Doh :D

So yeah, let the kids be kids.

My thoughts on this are any pupil should be allowed to wear what they like (within uniform regulations). 'Sexed uniforms' should be (and i thought they were..) a thing of the past. names...whatever. My 'real' name and the name I go by are different so no reason why others shouldn't be, even if the 'sex' of the name differs.

Loos, changing areas and such remain separated by sex as they currently are. 'Gender' doesn't come into it in areas of life where we are separated by sex.

Easy enough, right?

Totally their business. They know much more about the pupils concerned than a bunch of people whose sole source of information is one newspaper report.

Seems like trans- fad is the new "goth/emo"

It does wind me up. Does that school seriously think that there are 10 girls who have been born in the wrong body?

I'm going to assume that no they don't.

Does that school understand what gender dysphoria is? Again I bet they don't know much about it.

They now these girls are pulling a fast one. And yet the school have managed to get themselves into the paper because they can't say no.

Maria Miller has created a monster and made a monumental mistake. Legalising, or even giving credence to, self imposed gender identity as a protected characteristic is giving the green light to every tricky teen in the country.

At the very least, they have spawned 50 odd different genders and all the ridiculous time wasting discourse surrounding them.

Meanwhile people with real gender dysphoria are being ignored.

The legislation needs to be overhauled to say you cannot discriminate against somebody on the basis of how they present. But doesn't mean you will be treated as the opposite sex.

Every person has human rights - women's rights are different on the basis of their sex. It really shouldn't be up for question.

I think by letting the girls stay there, they are taking a stance on the trans ideology, namely, acknowledge that this gendernonsense is just a phase those girls are going through that should not disrupt their education.

If they really believed that the girls changed sex, they'd kick them out, wouldn't they?

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"Dave" .

The thing is they are either buying into gender identity or they aren't. If they are, boys should be able to identify as girls and be admitted. They might need to make it clear that the school is sex segregated not gender. And be prepared for it all to kick off.

And I might well start calling all the pupils by neutral pronouns such as 'they' to puncture the bloody special snowflakery.

What is going on? Why is this suddenly such a huge issue. I get that when I was at school there will have been people who were unhappy and would have been transgender if there wasn't such stigma and I agree with the removal of the stigma.
but the numbers just...don't seem to add up somehow.

'I'll be terfed for it but I don't think it's right for teachers to say a girl is a boy, in the same way it's not ethical to tell kids that the sun orbits the earth. I'd feel horrible guilt just saying the words to keep my job.'

Under what circumstances would a teacher have to 'lie'. Calling a student 'he' instead of 'she' is merely calling them by their chosen pronoun, not claiming that the female has gone from XX to XY.

And St Pauls can do whatever they like, they have a long waiting list of pupils to join and teachers who would love to be employed there. I believe that they have a strong pastoral team (after a fair few issues in the past) who have probably considered all aspects of this and decided what they consider to be the best solution.

I'll be terfed for it but I don't think it's right for teachers to say a girl is a boy, in the same way it's not ethical to tell kids that the sun orbits the earth. I'd feel horrible guilt just saying the words to keep my job.

I agree. It would be unethical to lie to children, especially as teacher.

I'd try to get around the nonsense by just using the new name and never using pronouns.

Preferred name and clothing sounds fine but, aside from any political issues, it'd bother me if I were a teacher there and had to lie. I'll be terfed for it but I don't think it's right for teachers to say a girl is a boy, in the same way it's not ethical to tell kids that the sun orbits the earth. I'd feel horrible guilt just saying the words to keep my job.

This has happened at DD's school. One girl is now called 'Dave'. No issues with her staying there but I would object to a 'girl' from the boys school going.

napqueen I know. I was quoting the transactivist ideology that a trans woman literally IS a woman

I would not throw girls out of a school because they are going through a phase of being a bit very stupid about gender stereotypes.

However, I would strongly encourage the other girls at the school to wear "boys' clothes" too, and choose absurd new names, too. (Or just do what they do in Harry Potter and refer to them by last names only)

Perhaps that'll diminish the special snowflake appeal.

(If I were a teacher at that school, I'd totally bribe some sane girls to identify as some of the thousands of new "genders" and demand their own locker room, if the "transboys" try that. Then give every child their own gender-appropriate cubicle, made of cardboard, to change in.)

If there is no uniform then presumably there is no bar to any pupil wearing 'boy's clothes' (whatever the hell they are).

“We consulted the pupils to find out what the issues were. Their main preoccupation has been to look after people who don’t want to identify as one gender or another.”

So how are pupils going to be looked after other than being able to wear what they want and be called what they want? The article doesn't actually seem to say anything. I was a bit confused by it.

And should school leaders really be led by 16 year olds on what the teens perceive the issues to be? I'd want a bit more errrmm leadership than that. Perhaps a lesson on how wearing boys' clothes doesn't make you a boy or something.

And excuse my hideous typing - the toddler knocked my autocorrect off and ive no idea how to get it back on.

My post was to Fred

Errr...hardly. sorry to be so blunt but how on earth could choosing to act and be named a typical male behaviour suddenyl change your biological make up and make you grow a penis?

Whatever sex you are when you are born is the sex you are. Horemone replacement and surgery can significantly alter this and make the body look much closer to how you feel it should, but this student hasnt been down that road.

They were born female. They have a womb and a vagina and probably (or soon to have) breasts. Theyll have the same levels of testosterone found in other females (low) and the same levels of oestrogen found in other females (high). They may choose to dress in a typical male way, they may choose a typically male name, they may choose to act and dress and speak in a way that, to the outside world, they appear male. But they are female.

Ah. Thank you. But I thought if you identify as a male you literally ARE a male?