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Transwomen answer why they are women

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Bambambini · 18/02/2017 23:04

Haven't seen these articles before. People are always saying TW never answer the question, thought these articles were quite interesting.

gendergp.co.uk/what-makes-me-a-woman-hannah-massie-050217/

m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/14427568?

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QueenLaBeefah · 19/02/2017 09:32

The first link very eloquently describes why they are not happy as a man but utterly fail to explain why that makes them a woman.

Bambambini · 19/02/2017 09:22

"Transgenderism requires the belief of everyone. Merely not believing what they believe is seen as personal violence towards them. It only works if they can force people to treat them in a certain way. It's all about how they are treated, not what they believe. "

Yes, this makes it such a strange issue. Belief in god, religion - can't be forced on us. I can understand a trans person possibly just has this innate belief, it's powerful for them. But it's forcing others to believe to or lie to maintain what i'd think is basically just innacurate.

Jordan Peteson has brought this up in Canada where people will now be forced to use words or pronouns or they could be charged with hate speech/hate crime.

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Datun · 19/02/2017 09:15

It's incredibly frustrating listening to a transwoman telling you why she's a woman and giving you a fine example of what a man would like in a woman, or what a man thinks a woman is.

They miss so much out, they concentrate on things that are unimportant to most women. Fact I never realised quite how different men and women are until I spoke to a man who thought he was a woman.

Datun · 19/02/2017 09:12

francis

I think the 'how can you know if you're not one' argument is the one the people think of first. Because it's fairly self evident that they can't.

But I got over that argument pretty early on. Because if you have any discourse with transactivists online, not only is it obvious they have no idea what it's like to be a woman, they come across as more male than any man I know.

Datun · 19/02/2017 09:08

I couldn't get past the first two paragraphs of the first link. Airily dismissing biology as being in any way relevant to whether you are a woman or not.

Re the comparison to religion that Lass makes. People who are religious don't insist that you share their beliefs too, because otherwise their belief system falls apart.

Transgenderism requires the belief of everyone. Merely not believing what they believe is seen as personal violence towards them. It only works if they can force people to treat them in a certain way. It's all about how they are treated, not what they believe.

I do wonder what would happen if the law suddenly changed. If it was made quite clear that although they would not be discriminated any more than anyone else, they are not women and they cannot access women's spaces, scholarships, etc.

After the furore had died down. I think the transactivists would melt away.

dudsville · 19/02/2017 08:21

I'm so tired of this crap. You can't do it with anything else. Why gender? I can't, as a white European, feel that I'm really Japanese inside and therefore state that I am Japanese. I can admire the Japanese, and adopt habits and ways, but it doesn't make me Japanese.

FrancisCrawford · 19/02/2017 08:04

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SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 19/02/2017 07:54

In the second article someone compared being trans to being lefthanded, the two things are not comparable. I am lefthanded, I don't feel like a leftie, it is something that has a real physical manifestation in that I can only write, use scissors or do a whole host of other things with my left hand. It's not something I chose, it's not due to a feeling. I could say but I feel righthanded and attempt to only ever use my right hand, but I would be crap at it, I would be a lefthanded person doing a poor imitation of a right-handed one.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/02/2017 00:52

I've said this before but possibly it is similar to having a belief in god?

I literally have no understanding of what people mean when they say they have a faith or a relationship with God or Christ. Or that god or Christ is in their lives. I can't relate to it at all.

I know people believe this deeply and it is very important to them but it has no meaning for me at all.

Ouriana · 18/02/2017 23:53

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BenLinusatemyhomework · 18/02/2017 23:35

It doesn't really though, does it?

It explains why they are trans, sure, but not how they are actually female.

For the record, I feel like a 9 stone, 25yr old glamour puss. Sadly, reality vehemently disagrees with my internal knowing.

IamNotDarling · 18/02/2017 23:27

I have an innate sense that I am meant to be rich and live in the Mediterranean with a yacht.

riobruins · 18/02/2017 23:17

I still don't feel like they have answered it. They are just saying they have this innate sense of being a woman, same as they always do. I'm curious what this innate sense feels like, because as far as I'm aware I don't have that.

ArcheryAnnie · 18/02/2017 23:16

Eh, it's just the same old, same old "I feel I am a woman and I know I'm right" stuff we've heard a million times before.