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For those critical or curious about Tran Agenda

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MercyMyJewels · 18/02/2017 14:29

Please watch this. It's long, but compelling, Mary-Lou Singleton in particular is brilliant

www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/event/biology-isnt-bigotry-why-sex-matters-the-age-gender-identity

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/02/2017 02:12

One of the women read out a case which said you can't claim sex discrimination if you are fired for breastfeeding at work, because men breastfeed too so it's not discriminatory

Under UK law you would not be claiming sex discrimination at the moment if you were fired for breastfeeding.

You would not be fired for breastfeeding- you would be fired if you spent so long breastfeeding or expressing that you weren't actually doing your work.

This is the current UK law on breastfeeding in the workplace. There is no reason why this would not continue apply to any breastfeeding person.

Working Families | Returning to work while breastfeeding – a guide to the law
www.workingfamilies.org.uk/articles/returning-to-work-while-breastfeeding-a-guide-to-the-law/

Datun · 19/02/2017 01:42

It's yet another consequence to the ideology that people aren't currently fully aware of.

Datun · 19/02/2017 01:41

God, I feel for you elusive.

And, along with so much else, I think sport will absolutely get people up in arms. People, parents spend vast amounts of money on their children to pursue a sport. I can't see them taking it lying down, when a man pips their daughter to the post.

elusivemoosive · 19/02/2017 00:48

The comments about sports rang true with me. It pisses me off so so so much.

Women's sport is so far behind men's sport. In recognition, in funding, in interest, in respect, in media reports. So far behind.

In cross country running events, I observe the spectators reactions to the boys races, and to the girls races. Girls - polite applause as the girls run past, occasional shouts of "well run" etc. Boys - jumping and shouting and cheering "GO ON LAD"and crucially - helpful fucking tips yelled out! "Lean forward" "open out your legs" "work your arms" "you are at x distance, in y minutes". Every. Single. Time. The boys races are taken more seriously. No doubt about it.

Running as a lone woman I get comments, cat calls, harassment, car beeps, groups of men running alongside me, laughing. I get scared. I feel shame for my "fat arse". I feel stupid for thinking I can run. It makes me not want to do it. But I need to run several times a week to train. I can't only run when I am feeling brave, or when someone is available to run with me, or when it is light outside. I wouldn't get my training in.

As a teenage girl, I found competing in sporting events awful. It is hard work. It is embarrassing. It is uncomfortable. I worked as hard as the boys, but was taken so much less seriously. It isn't 'cool' to like sports as a girl. Hell, it isn't 'cool' to like sports as a woman in my social group. I was told it was boring to watch. I was boring for doing it. I looked stupid/awkward/fat. People laughed loudly at me. I was told I don't look like a runner. I was too fat to be good at sport.

Anyway - all these things. And then the showers, and periods, and breasts, and the outfits, and the comments about my body, and the doubts about my ability, and the creepy teachers and coaches and other people's dads...

It is hard to play sports as a girl and woman.

And then on top of this...
On top of all of this...
They want males to compete against us.
And they call it "fair".

It makes me angrier than almost anything else in the whole debate. I feel passionate about safe spaces, protecting women generally, transing of children, gay eugenics etc btw, but for whatever reason the sports side of the issue, although not life threatening in a way some other trans issues are, I find triggers absolute rage in me.

The thought that boys and men can claim scholarships for women, take women's medals and podium places, take women's dignity ffs.

And then call it fair. Makes me rage. And weep.

elusivemoosive · 18/02/2017 23:55

This was so good.

CharlieSierra · 18/02/2017 18:46

Is this the logical conclusion to gender trumping sex? Sex discrimination doesn't exist any more? It is, isn't it

Yes. Exactly this.

Datun · 18/02/2017 18:15

I'm halfway through that video. I just realised something. One of the women read out a case which said you can't claim sex discrimination if you are fired for breastfeeding at work, because men breastfeed too so it's not discriminatory.

Is this the logical conclusion to gender trumping sex? Sex discrimination doesn't exist any more? It is, isn't it?

Plus the redefining of the bathroom law to say 'you can look but don't touch'! Ugh. I was worried about voyeurism being allowed through the back door, I didn't realise they could actually make it completely legal.

PencilsInSpace · 18/02/2017 17:57

This is them: Hands Across The Aisle. It is an excellent video.

I'm really pleased about this coalition because so often I have read 'you sound just like a right-wing christian' in response to a feminist posting something gender critical. This coalition is saying yes, women on the right and the left agree on this, and think it's important enough to come together to campaign, even while we completely disagree on other issues. It takes the wind out of the sails of those 'you sound like ...' arguments.

It is so heartening to hear women's voices without interruption. I've been watching some of the videos from last year's Thinking Differently conference in London and I thought the same while watching them.

MercyMyJewels · 18/02/2017 16:36

Harriet Harman too

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MercyMyJewels · 18/02/2017 16:35

It's the best thing I've seen on this subject. And you are right - women being allowed to speak, even when as they acknowledged, they are far from allies in the political sense.

Well done to the Heritage Foundation. Isn't it bitter irony that a conservative forum is giving women the means to discuss an issue that the Left no-platform?

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whoputthecatout · 18/02/2017 16:30

Maria Miller should watch this.

kua · 18/02/2017 16:23

I've also watched the whole video and agree with Plectrum, I kept expecting for the women to be interrupted and shouted down.

Thanks for sharing.

PlectrumElectrum · 18/02/2017 16:15

Just watched the whole thing, agreed, it was fab. And such a breathe of fresh air to hear women speaking without interruption, without being shouted down. I've seen Miriam Ben Shalom before, think she did a video proclaiming to be PERF, nor TERF. She's fab too. And Kaeley Haver was also great, really liked what she had to say.

I'm off to google them all & see what else I can find out about their work on this. Thanks for posting. Well worth the watch.

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