Just when you thought Everyday Transactivism could no longer surprise * title edited by MNHQ*

We all know it's because they want to dodge the issue.

I get so pissed off when they say it's 'rude'. Rude to ask if you have a vagina seeking missile in your cami knickers?

In what context, the cotton ceiling? I've seen it lots too.

I hope.

I mean, it was funny for all the wrong reasons. I had to go and look. Posting a selfie of a bearded face saying "it's a big deal for a transwoman like me, showing my stubble, even one like me who doesn't take hormones". Oh, how I laughed

Just saw this on twitter. Quite accurate I think

twitter.com/streetvoiceuk/status/835099001976467460/photo/1

For the laffs, probably

Facebook suggested to me yesterday that but I might like Danielle Muscato's page. Yeah right, Facebook

I was surprised to find that nearly 15,000 people follow it.

Indeed, mirror. Bring it on.

And I won't be following any of the transpeople you recommend on twitter, thanks all the same. I won't be "amplifying Riley J Dennis's voice" in saying that lesbians who don't want dick are transphobic. And yes, I do still consider myself a feminist.

about why the women's march was totally cissexist.

I love the way it pauses to link to their other wanky article about why it was totally cissexist.

And I particularly enjoyed this bit:

Unless you are a puppy (omg hi) or a sentient robot (omg congrats on your inevitable usurping of the human race), you also fall into one or more of the above mentioned categories, and probably a whole lot more I haven't mentioned, too.

Omg, I'm only 12 and I actually got some crappy online site to publish my poorly written, vacuous, po-faced thoughtpiece!!!

Jaffa Cake is a biscuit or a cake A Jaffa Cake is a Jaffa Cake. When it has to pay tax, it is a cake, and when it wants to earn money, it is on the biscuit aisle. Interesting analogy.

Is there no opposition that is more coherant and direct than that petition? Which seems to miss the point as a PP mentioned - in fact it sounds like it is of "PC gorn mad" heritage.

I'm guessing this won't be discussed on Question Time tomorrow? Not that that necessarily reaches a wide auidence... but it's the lack of recognition that it matters.

I am so angry about this. And patriarchy in general. Having a real rage about it all right now and don't know what I can do that's useful!

Gender identity as a protected characteristic is fine, if it means no discrimination for housing, jobs, that sort of thing. But why does that mean it should trump biological sex? I hope when the inevitable happens it's only handmaidens who gets hurt, not those speaking out against this already.

Genetic expert from where? The Mickey Mouse university of dumbfuckery?

If "experts" can't distinguish the difference between sex and gender then we really are screwed.

As far as I could tell the 'sex being a construct' argument was based around the fact that you can change your entire appearance, so who knows? And although you can't change your chromosomes (they neglected to mention reproductive organs) no one can see those. So that's that.

once again, entirely missing the small fact that me not being able to see someone's chromosomes doesn't magically change them to those of the opposite sex.

I had to turn off The Philospher's Arms on radio 4 today. Somehow they went from discussing whether a Jaffa Cake is a biscuit or a cake, to a male sounding person describing himself as non binary and that some days he feels like being Phil and some days like Pam (I can't actually remember the female name he used but you get the idea.) when he/she was asked how they decide what to be on a particular day, they just said it pretty much depended on how they woke up feeling. So, much the same as some days I wake up and want to wear a dress and other days jeans. As someone another thread said- aren't we just talking about personality now? If gender (and in the view of some TAs) sex, is just a social construct than don't you remain the same regardless of what clothes you wear. The switching off point came when a so called expert in genetics said that you could have just 1 gene deletion and believe you are one gender only to find during puberty that actually you're a different gender. I'm assuming she meant sex but at that point I was arguing with the radio again so I turned it off!

Re. the conflation of sex and gender - I think that ship sailed when people were allowed to change the sex on their birth certificate. Seems such a blithe decision to allow that to happen. An amendment would make sense, but to be presented with a new birth certificate categorically stating that a transwoman was born female (or transman was born male) just flies in the face of logic, biology and truth

Thanks SoulSearcher

raisins

Ok, yes that's clear now, thanks.

And yes others have been pointing out the flaw in that petition. I certainly don't want remove protected characteristics, I just don't want the one of women to be replaced.

And yet again, even as I write that, I can hardly believe it.

A previous poster has said that this reading on the 24th is by no means indicative of a change in the law. (i'm not familiar with the process of lawmaking so I was glad she said that).

I am hoping that the fact that as, even at this early stage, there is a lot of push back, it will be noticed and highlighted in the media. And maybe the entire debate can then get some oxygen flow and robust discussion.

I honestly think most people, however inclusive they feel, when fully apprised of the implications, will be against it.

TheHouse did you mean this link: citizengo.org/en-gb/pc/41304-say-not-dangerous-gender-identity-bill?tc=fb&tcid=32808372