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Just when you thought Everyday Transactivism could no longer surprise * title edited by MNHQ*

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mirrorisnotmyfriend · 12/02/2017 11:20

They come up with this.

First post - Why Transwomen Aren't Biologically Male.
www.facebook.com/everydayfeminism/

The comments are encouraging though, that is, the ones that haven't been deleted. Lots of people questioning and calling this out.

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ToffeeForEveryone · 27/02/2017 20:20

I just can't even with this nonsense any more.

Cis is offensive. Even if you accept that it's not intended to be offensive (which is certainly not always true, it is frequently used as a pejorative), whether something is offensive or not is nothing to do with intentions, it's about how it comes across to others. I find cis offensive. So do a lot of other people. For very logical and legitimate reasons.

But we're just being precious. And dumb. And the world is how I see it because I said so and I'm telling you, and don't you answer back woman. Sorry, cis woman.

I'm all for trans people being able to live however they feel comfortable. But the weird double think that's constantly being insisted upon is just mind boggling. Not biologically male? Are we just making shit up now?

Exhausting.

SoulSearcher101 · 27/02/2017 20:16

Datun, I have got to the point where I wonder whether to just "leave them to it" because the longer terms impacts will be so much more influential than our discussions here. If I had a crystal ball I can reasonable foresee a situation where all these transgender people who are infertile will have a sartori and realise they have been short changed and then what?

Thelilywhite · 27/02/2017 19:43

thefederalist.com/2017/02/27/threatening-violence-trans-activists-expel-un-pc-research-medical-conference/
I just read this but its very long Im afraid. Zucker has been bullied off a panel at a conference on transgender issues. The writer raises many points around the issues we discuss here.

Datun · 27/02/2017 19:41

soul

That article is very worrying. At this rate, 11 and 12-year-olds are going to be forced/encouraged onto a part of lifelong medication and sterility.

How many children or teenagers, or even people in their 20s want to have children? It doesn't hit you when you're young. What is going happen to these kids when they fall in love and want to start a family?

And why on earth would anyone who is distressed at the cards with which they have been dealt, not want to find a way of helping themselves that doesn't involve drugs and sterility? If it doesn't work then go for the drug/surgery option.

The argument against that, is that you will pass a lot easier if you have transitioned as a teenager. Which brings us back to the issue of why you can't just wear what you like, present as you like without accounting negative attitudes.

Terfinator · 27/02/2017 14:37

Trans people talking about their periods on Buzzfeed: www.buzzfeed.com/susiearmitage/heres-what-its-like-to-have-your-period-when-youre-trans?utm_term=.bi5r8P24L#.stWPMW94Q

venusinscorpio · 27/02/2017 14:30

The lists aren't satire, or if they are a lot of people take them awfully seriously.

nauticant · 27/02/2017 14:02

That Fox video is an interesting watch. But it's useful to view this in terms of overlapping interests rather than sides:
trans-critical feminism: gender is unimportant, sex is important
trans-activists: gender is everything, sex is unimportant
conservative right: gender is important and = sex, sex is important.

WhereYouLeftIt · 27/02/2017 13:33

That Tumblr list just has to be satire.

MrsWooster · 27/02/2017 11:26

God, that Tucker whatsit video is amazing. Bullshitectomy, live on air.

BeyondUnderthinking · 27/02/2017 10:57

Where's that "breaking the chains" meme when ya need it Grin

thepinklantern · 27/02/2017 10:03

I think what saddens me is that people who search out these new genders don't feel they fit with society, but it's not them, it's society and the way it requires neat boxes.

But you can apply it to anyone, fat, thin, black, white and everyone in between.

I was struck by the research in 'the affluenza virus' book that showed that an island somewhere I the south seas that didn't get tv till relatively late had no instances of anorexia until they did get tv.

BeyondUnderthinking · 27/02/2017 09:42

That's how I've interpreted it for a while, Mary

Hmm, beyondExgenderDemisnowflake has a nice ring to it....

venusinscorpio · 27/02/2017 09:03

Genderspecialestsnowflake.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 27/02/2017 06:14

Caelgender: a gender which shares qualities with outer space or has the aesthetic of space, stars, nebulas, etc.

I want to be this and identify as Jupiter Grin

MaryTheCanary · 27/02/2017 02:52

The deletions that I have seen on the question of transgenderism seem very.... random which makes me wonder if there are perhaps several people in charge of looking at threads and they have very different views, and whether a thread gets pulled is very much a question of who is on thread-watch duty at the time.

venusinscorpio · 27/02/2017 00:16

Sadly I didn't have genderblank in my EF sanctioned list!

theoracleofdelphi · 27/02/2017 00:00

Demi-Wankey-NonCis-Fluid-AutoGynae-Fog-Blog-Gender

MercyMyJewels · 26/02/2017 23:34

Also, to whom does one apply for addition to the list?

MercyMyJewels · 26/02/2017 23:33

Empress - thanks for that list. It has been a source of much joy

My fav is:

Genderblank: a gender that can only be described as a blank space; when gender is called into question, all that comes to mind is a blank space

Is Genderwanky a credible addition, do you think?

SoulSearcher101 · 26/02/2017 23:29

Empress so how many more toilets/showers/prisons/crisis centres do we have to build to accommodate all these newly emerging genders?

riobruins · 26/02/2017 23:23

I wouldn't be surprised if they were, tumblr is a very odd place. There is some gems on that list. There's one that shares qualities with water. There's also this one "Exgender: the outright refusal to accept or identify in, on, or around the gender spectrum." They have this big list of genders and then have one that doesn't accept gender.
They also have a list that lists all the sexualities. According to that list lesbian includes people who partially identify as women. That is really not how it works.

theoracleofdelphi · 26/02/2017 23:16

Abimegender: a gender that is profound, deep, and infinite; meant to resemble when one mirror is reflecting into another mirror creating an infinite paradox ConfusedConfusedConfused

That was enough for me!

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 26/02/2017 22:55

Here's a list of genders from Tumblr.

I think they're serious.

LineysRun · 26/02/2017 22:45

If everyone is uniquely gendered, that's great. Fab.

Then there's nothing to 'trans' against, is there?

Meanwhile women can get on with fighting oppression rooted in female sexual biology.

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