Just when you thought Everyday Transactivism could no longer surprise * title edited by MNHQ*

Oooh, maybe I should join in then as a legit trans person?

Oh wait. No. I got treatment for my PCOS so that my woman's body functioned better as a woman's body. Having pcos made no difference whatever to my 'gender'; it wasn't something in my head it was in my ovaries - PCOS is all about biology.

And appropriating their experience for their own ends, same as they misappropriate the experiences of women and gay people. In her fabulous takedown of Riley J Dennis's appalling "if lesbians won't sleep with me they are like racists" screed, Magdalen Berns notes that if Riley and his "cis girlfriend" travelled to one of the many countries where homosexuality is illegal, no harm would come to them because they are a heterosexual couple, no matter what stupid pronouns they use. They have no right to appropriate the real experiences of gay people who are disgraced and imprisoned and even executed throughout the world. Jesus, I find all this shit bad enough as a straight woman, I can't imagine how beyond livid I would be if I were gay.

Yes, it's all just collateral damage. Some monumental bellend was claiming that intersex includes PCOS so 1 in 40 people were intersex. And by extension all those people were transgender.

Some numb nut on there is arguing that people with CAIS are completely female and can even have their own children, just so they can argue that xy chromosomes don't equal male. They really are just aok with throwing people with intersex conditions under a bus - wow!

^^YES!!

They don't have any interest in engaging in the conversation, it's like a fucking cult.

Don't any of them stop to think that if their arguments were any good they wouldn't need to ban people who were not trolling, but politely putting forward a differing view, like Rebecca? Their arguments would stand on their own merits. But they only way they can keep up the level of cognitive dissonance is to censor, delete and ban any hint of an opposing view. They are dangerously stupid.

The Facebook comments have made me so fucking angry

Even the spokesperson for the Facebook group is giving it the old 'oh yes lots of TERF comments we are trying our best to delete and ban'

Yes. Because instead of engaging in discussion and trying to explain yourself to people that, quite frankly thing you've got a screw loose, just ban them so they have no retort. Very clever.

"Stand up against oppression"?!

They couldn't stand up against a brick wall.

Well that video cheered me up on this quiet Monday morning!

What a crock of shite eh.

There were some comments about trans-women in sports along the lines of yes of course transwomen are women and yes absolutely they should be able to compete in female sport, it's sooo transphobic say otherwise, um...er, yes, some might have a biological advantage, but that shouldn't mean anything. Should it? Um. No, of course not. Anyway competitive sport is silly.

And then tied themselves up in tighter knots because the article had said if you level out the testosterone it should be fair and someone accused them of being transphobic because - are you saying you're only really a woman if you take the hormones? So they were stuck with having to decide whether or not it was fair for a man to compete against women with taking no hormones whatsoever. Otherwise they were terfs.

Idiots.

Possibly biologically inaccurate there, venus.

It occurred to me after reading this, plus the thread on guidance to male posters in fwr and some stuff on bloody 'safe spaces' in The Times, that annoying though our trolls and GFs are, heck I'm glad MN is a site where deletions and bans are rare and considered. Of course, this is primarily a site for grownups with real responsibilities, by grownups with real responsibilities which helps.

Oh but they are "standing up against oppression".

It really shouldn't have 'feminism' in the title.

They're like a bunch of insecure school girls who are petrified of not being in the cool gang.

I know, it's such a cunty site.

Jesus, what an obnoxious site! Lets just ban and censure everyone who doesn't tell us how fabulous we are. Have they no idea how rediculous they are. And the smug repeat posters will be glorying in how they out argued and saw off the evil terfs and bigots - by bloody deleting them. Smug fuckers.

Ah, I fondly remember the thread in FWR where we wrote an EF bio for ourselves :)

It was a blizzard of snowflakes ❄️❄️❄️

And it sickens me to see privileged twits like these flourishing, dominating the public narrative when a working class lesbian like Julie Bindel is given the full "Crucible" treatment on campuses.

What's the betting that the one that says how the site is nicknamed Everyday Transactivism will be next to go?

Maybe someone should add that as a definition for EF in the Urban Dictionary?

It's almost hilarious, lots of posts decrying the terfs and the transphobes all over the thread but I have not seen a single gender critical post that wasn't polite and reasonable and attempting to engage. All immediately deleted nonetheless.

What, they've deleted that one too? I missed all of Rebecca's comments but I saw that one just now, wow.

What's the betting that the one that says how the site is nicknamed Everyday Transactivism will be next to go?

Yes, it really is devouring itself.

I saw that comment, the transactivist fuckwits didn't seem to know how to respond to him. Not surprised it was deleted, for that reason alone.

They've deleted a comment from a transwoman who said "I'm trans but of course I'm a biological male, don't tell me what I am" - got over 50 likes but still zapped! It's just devouring itself at this rate, this insane ideology.

Oh yes, I'm sure we are. And Galileo was like, really oppressed too, so it's a totally neat analogy.

Yes they are Galileo and we are the crazed medieval monks.

I think they may have just compared sex to the earth is flat and gender to the earth is round in their latest comment.