Just when you thought Everyday Transactivism could no longer surprise * title edited by MNHQ*

Lol that mumsnet have changed 'ridiculous' to 'surprise' but missed the fact that the site isn't actually called 'everyday transactivism'

I'm going to post on site stuff asking why it has been changed

Can't work out what could be found offensive about the original title. Baffled.

Is 'ridiculous' a banned word? Have MNHQ explained what that was about???

If you read this whole thread, could you really quibble with the word "ridiculous"? Really?

I imagine it is, pencils. Ok I'll spare a thought for them.

With the f word, but I doubt that's what anyone was bothered about.

Maybe it's triggering to ridiculous people

It was 'Just when you think Everyday Transactivism couldn't get any more ridiculous'

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I cant remember but calling websites ridiculous may be actual violence... I think, i am getting confused

Do get a life, whoever reported that

Why has the thread title been edited by MNHQ?

Are we no longer allowed to call websites ridiculous?

Also, this was posted on another thread.

It's so heartfelt and so obviously true I thought I would post it here in case it gets missed.

4thwavenow.com/2016/12/17/a-mums-voyage-through-transtopia-helps-her-daughter-desist/

I am writing again to my MP with all this fresh information, the new links, the new instances of violence, the information about the drugs, the information about the children who are being affected etc.

It's taking me ages, because I want to make sure that what I write is correct, not too sensationalist (although I am not shying away from the ludicrous claims/sexual element), and doesn't come across as frothing in any way.

Also, there is just so much to address.

So yeah, it's taking me along time.

I know everyone is terribly busy, but if you feel capable of doing the same, it can only help.

Yes, I think most people these days think people can believe any weird shit they want to so long as they aren't hurting anyone else.

Lesbians were the first group to be adversely affected, but no one, including the LGBT societies took any notice. It was only lesbians and other feminists who were aware of the harm.

Now, with the involvement of children and the effect on all women of trans activism, the wider world is waking up. I have found that exposing people to some of the facts is often enough to change their views. Let's hope so.

Datun the only other thing I think is missing is we are a progressive society who believe people should be able to live as they want as long as they are hurting no one. On face value and over the years the trans movement is hurting no one. It's only recently that the potential harms are becoming apparent (with the rise in trans children and push for legislative change) but the view that trans people are "born in the wrong body" are entrenched due to societies desire to be tolerant and accepting.
Don't know if that makes sense?

I think it's a big problem too. It's immature and simplistic.

Sorry, that was in reply to Pencil.

When it comes to trans issues feminists and conservatives have a lot in common, though for different reasons. I would not like us to go down the path of American discourse where every issue is polarized, with a progressive opinion and a conservative opinion. This is why trans ideology has made such inroads into women's rights. Because if you're in support of, say, gay marriage and the BLM movement you are automatically supposed to be pro anything the trans lobby asks for. This is a real problem in the USA. Here you get more of a mix, with plenty of Tory voters holding what Americans would see as progressive views.

transhealth.ucsf.edu/trans?page=guidelines-vaginoplasty

This was informative. DS had a friend who had the op along with quite a bit of other plastic surgery. Reading this, I can only say that the advantage is that you pass better as a woman, which is ok if that is what you really want, but I am not convinced about the long term function (or not so long term for that matter). Still, it is better than the surgery for FtT which seems to be all about cutting bits off. It all seems rather depressing.

I'd agree with all of that Datun and add one more aspect. They believe what they're going along with will be low risk for them, there won't be a huge scandal/they won't be held responsible for it.

If they could see what might be on its way, and had any concern that they might be held accountable for it, there is no way they'd be so blasé.

Just a note of caution on linking to public discourse / witherspoon institute - they do publish some very good articles on trans, however this organisation is very right wing, anti abortion and anti gay marriage.

I'm not totally averse to joining forces with the political right on issues where they are in agreement with (proper) feminism (the other obvious one is pornography) but I think it's best done explicitly, like the Hands Across the Aisle coalition.

Here's another good article by Paul McHugh. I couldn't find it but luckily another poster provided it on another thread.

I don't know if anyone has any thoughts on the following, I will try and be coherent!

If I were to list the reasons I thought there was such a massive disconnect between people who are making laws and people on here, for instance, I would say the following about law-makers:

They are receiving their information from people like Mermaids and people with genuine gender dysphoria.

They are not social media savvy and therefore don't go on the websites that women on here link to.

They believe the trans-ideology is the same as LGB.

And, as so, see the T as a suffering minority who need their rights protected in the same way.

They strongly believe in individualism.

They're frightened of an LGBT backlash.

They are mistaking the trans-ideology as progressive and right on.

They are not connecting the dots and implications to women, either because they don't care or are just blind.

They think it is noble to be at the forefront of a movement that is seen as cool.

Because, given the quite dreadful mental and health implications and all the rights of women being discarded, I don't see why the above list is having anywhere near the influence it is having.

Is something missing? Could we be wrong?