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Well it is of interest. I think, as was mentioned above, that this feeling of deserving things, of measuring ourselves against these culturally constructed ideas of success is more fundamental.

viking

Why do you think it is counter-productive?

This isn't. .temple of feminism.

It's just another board on MN, a big chat site.

No-one died and made you the thread police.

MN has make and female posters.

They can post in any topic, and post what they like.

MNHQ will delete if it breaks talk guidelines.

Just as they will in any topic.

And yes, all topics attract GFs and trolls, even the more sensitive ones. And the more reaction they get, the more they do it.

I think this thread is unnecessarily bossy and wholly counterproductive.

Well I was reading another study that posited that "raiding parties" were a common feature of almost all early tribal societies. If there was a shortage of females, you raided some other tribe and took theirs.

I got interested in it reading an interview with the guy who wrote The Wire, the television programme about gang culture in Baltimore, USA. He was asked his opinion on what could be done about the situation. He said something along the lines that social programmes helped, but that there also just seemed to be an awful lot of surplus men. Prima facie.

I just scanned these things, but it got me thinking of things like cowboys, explorers, Vikings.... that perhaps up until recently there was an "over flow" for the excess men. I am sure these aren't original thoughts. And it seems like all the examples I could think of had a thread of violence running through them.

Please don't quote me on these bits and bobs.

I was reading about the "surplus male theory". The author was stating that armies and navies existed in order to keep masses of young males from causing problems. But I was thinking that as soon as you build an army you may feel the need to invade something.

Well, yes. That is my theory on why societies that practice polygyny (men owning multiple wives) are more aggressive than societies that have monogamy or where the sexes are equal.
If every man feels entitled to several women, then some men do not get any women. And that will make them very unhappy, as after all, they feel entitled. You then have to get rid of them.
The problem also exists in patriarchal societies with a high rate of death in childbirth, I suppose.
Men feel entitled to own a woman as compensation to the shit they have to put up with in patriarchy. If the patriarchy doesn't pay up, they get angry.

tchah!< Thanks Helen. Just when I was getting over my craving for flapjacks, along you come giving me visions of filo-based treats... >shakes pudgy fist<

Isn't lamination something to do with GBBO and pastry?

Gosh i think you are right cruella

I'll be back...with more laminating pouches

Wasn't The Laminator that film with Arnold Schwarzenegger in?

See told you

mmm...laminated

Men like lamination

Its a thing

A laminated proper card

Was it laminated?

Bet it wasnt

sillage

You should have had a proper card...that would have learned him

I found one

And i have a laminator...

I threw out my woman card some years ago.

A male friend sat in my kitchen table and told me pretty girls are the ones who really rule the world by manipulating men's desires. I told him he was wrong, but he persisted.

So I played my woman card. I stood up, pointed to my groin and loudly commanded, "MY PUSSY POWER COMPELS YOU TO CONCEDE THAT I AM RIGHT"!

He didn't, so I threw my woman card away. If all the pussy power men imagine attractive women wield couldn't even win me an argument at my kitchen table about pretty girls not secretly operating a global "femme-illuminati", then it was obviously useless.

Me too, Errol.

My take on that particular detail is that if a bloke is behaving as a feminist ally, I don't really care whether he's labelled that or 'feminist'.

Whether men can be feminists or not is something that comes up every so often and it's not usually very controversial. It doesn't seem to matter much which view you take. If we started charging membership fees and issuing cards I guess it might.

I have always wondered

Are these cards, victim, woman, race, that people refer to laminated?

I wouldnt like mine to wear out

Is the article saying that anti-feminists, MRAs, and misogynists are the same? It says they are initially but then refers to them separately.

It's great that the men in your family have looked at the basics and are at least making an effort to reduce the harm that they do Prawn. I disagree that men can be feminists though.

All the men in my family are feminists because they have a basic understanding of the facts.

What pisses me off about the male timewasters we see here is they don't even know the basics. If women were responsible for 98% of sex crime and 90% of violent crime, men would very rightly be up in arms. They would be demanding spaces away from female predators and so on.

There seem to be a lot of men with zero empathy for women's vulnerability to attack. If you're a man of average height and strength you need to imagine a situation where the world is suddenly populated with hugely tall and strong gay men, most of whom are no doubt lovely people, but some of whom get a kick out of raping, beating and murdering men. How might that feel?

Decent blokes already empathize. The male posters we've had here recently don't seem to. They bleat about srxism, failing to understand that gender is a ball and chain that systematically disadvantages women and advantages men. The chain may trip up men occasionally but the ankle it is fixed to is always female.