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Brilliant video reponse to the horrible "lesbians need to learn to love dick" argument

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ArcheryAnnie · 08/02/2017 15:47

Just saw this video by Magdalen Berns on twitter, answering all the bollocks about lesbians needing to learn to want to date transwomen, and if they don't get over their aversion to dick then they are totally just like racists. (Spoiler alert: Magdalen Berns doesn't think so.) It really cheered me up, not just with the excellent arguments, but with the deadpan attitude.

With thanks and a hat-tip to Miranda Yardley for linking to it!

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CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 10/02/2017 13:45

She absolutely wipes the floor with him/her/them (have no idea what pronoun they want to be referred to with).

Yes, indeed very interesting the comment regarding sexual preference being inherently discriminatory ... evolution dictates that it is, to a great extent. Who you have sex with is a decision that absolutely nobody other than the individual (and their intended partner of course) has any say in whatsoever.

Boofeckinghoo · 10/02/2017 13:38

By transwomen's logic, if they are all women, and all lesbians, they should all be able date each other and leave normal lesbians alone

Well yes, that really is it.

Boofeckinghoo · 10/02/2017 13:33

Wow, not sure what to think about all that! I don't think I could deny biology though in a sexual encounter and as for 'cotton ceiling' that sounds positively menacing. No wonder Magdalen is mad. It's not exactly respecting other people's choices, is it?

Anyone can reject anyone if they are not attracted to them! I really dislike the tone of that Transperson in Magdalen's video. As if we don't understand our own sexuality/mind. Fucking hell!

Datun · 10/02/2017 13:30

By transwomen's logic, if they are all women, and all lesbians, they should all be able date each other and leave normal lesbians alone.

But no. Funny that.

Datun · 10/02/2017 13:21

Boo

There is nothing logical about the trans-ideology.

Yes, lesbians like fannys. And gay men like willies. And bisexual people don't mind which. You'd think that was fairly simple.

Transwomen (and it usually is people born male identifying as female, not the other way around), maintain that, due to a feeling in their head, they are, to all intents and purposes, women. And that their outward appearance belies their inner 'essence'. So they are women and therefore their genitalia is female. Hence 'lady stick'.

The disconnect between the fact that a penis is the epitome of what is to be male, but that calling it female makes it different, seems to be lost on them.

Hence, a woman who is only attracted to women needs to think seriously about her sexual preference, because a man says he is a woman and thus it makes it so. (Despite the presence of a penis and a staggering amount of male entitlement).

Google 'cotton ceiling'.

cadnowyllt · 10/02/2017 13:15

Hec et al

But for a very small minority, I think you're pushing at an open door.

HecateAntaia · 10/02/2017 12:50

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Boofeckinghoo · 10/02/2017 12:45

that lesbians need to consider him as a sexual partner, otherwise they are being discriminatory and trans-phobic.

But that makes no sense. Lesbians like ladies with vaginas don't they?

As you can tell, I am new to all this but that persons argument has zero logic.

PerspicaciaTick · 10/02/2017 00:02

The only way for sex not to be discriminatory is if everyone is perpetually willing to have sex with anyone and everyone they meet. This would avoid anyone feeling rejected.

Although I can't fathom what is wrong with a little rejection once in a while, it builds resilience.

Datun · 09/02/2017 23:55

Boo

Yup. That trans woman was saying that even though he was born male the fact that he identifies as a woman should mean that lesbians need to consider him as a sexual partner, otherwise they are being discriminatory and trans-phobic.

The reason he targets the lesbian community is because he wants to sleep with women. Straight women won't sleep with him, and he doesn't want to sleep with gay or straight men. His dating pool has shrunk and he's trying every linguistic trick in the book to solve that.

Lesbians are tired of this. Men have been telling them this for years.

shins · 09/02/2017 21:15

She's brilliant.

Boofeckinghoo · 09/02/2017 20:42

Was that Transwoman mansplaining about who we as viewers should be attracted to? Really?

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 09/02/2017 20:08

She is amazing! Thanks for sharing this - needed a proper breath of fresh air today Flowers

MiddleGround · 09/02/2017 00:09

Absolutely fantastic - thank you for sharing!

Poppyred85 · 08/02/2017 21:04

Of course sexual preference is discriminatory (in the sense of Deciding between variables). We all have preferences as to what height/ethnicity/accent/personality traits we find attractive. The nature of sexuality is a discussion I've had with friends (both straight and gay) and some feel (and argue) that everyone has the potential to be straight or gay depending on the person they meet, including one friend who is a lesbian saying all women are lesbians but the straight ones haven't met the right woman yet. That would make the reverse of that true too though (all lesbians are straight, they just haven't met the right man yet) and I really don't think it is. I am sure there are some people who believe themselves to have one sexual orientation but the have experiences or meet someone that changes that. I'm not explaining this well and seem to be contradicting myself!

TheThinWhiteDutchess · 08/02/2017 20:30

Thanks for posting this, very interesting and eye opening!

Also hi as I haven't posted here before.

What I found interesting was what she said about dating being a discriminatory process, and that you are allowed to reject someone as a sexual partner if you want to (paraphrasing!) I've never really thought about it in that way. But I wonder if the fact that women are waking up to this and are more aware of this is threatening the subtle status quo where some men aren't expecting to be rejected?

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