Brilliant video reponse to the horrible "lesbians need to learn to love dick" argument

Vestal

I didn't see it as sexism, I saw it as injustice.

I've always had a very strong sense of fairness. (It's annoying on the one hand, because I see both sides of a story).

But it dawned on me that the injustice I was seeing was gendered.

It was a lightbulb moment in every sense of the word.

In fact it was the trans ideology that first really alerted me to the real inequality in the sexes (I know, bad feminist).

Better that way round than starting out as feminist and forgetting all about it when the trans ideology came along - as many seem to have done.

Women who were aware of the inequality before trans ideology came along had to willfully shut off their brains to convince themselves that MtT are just as oppressed as actual women.

I can get not noticing the sexism in society as long as you don't feel it directly, but knowing about it and then wilfully switching off one's brain ... that, I cannot understand.

Absolutely. Men, gay or straight just laugh and say fuck off. Because it is no threat to them, whatsoever.

So some transman demands sex from a gay or straight man ( not that many of them do). They are simply not in a position to threaten or coerce. It's meaningless to men.

The same way that I don't see any transmen beating natal born men at sport.

In fact it was the trans ideology that first really alerted me to the real inequality in the sexes (I know, bad feminist).

It just served to highlight for me what the actual difference is and what it means.

As I think I've said on other threads, I was once commenting on the Guardian website on an article a transwoman had written about how angry a man was when the transwoman revealed their lack of female genitals.

Some transactivists and allies on the thread started to push the same line, that heterosexual men are transphobic if they rule out transwomen. As you can imagine it got short shrift, and they didn't push it. It's only women they can gaslight, bully and guilt trip.

Yes Raisins, that's exactly it.

Biology is a made up social construct, dude.

Male entitlement, pure and simple.

Ironically.

The entire ideology rests on the fact that trans women are actually women. I've even heard them say they are biologically women.

1. Being accepted socially was fine. Why wouldn't one? There is no real impact.

2. Being accepted legally was an impressive piece of PR over common sense. And it rode roughshod over women's rights. But it's only women, right?

3. Being accepted as a woman sexually is the last bastion. It's impossible to justify it. Having sex is all about the genitals.

Demanding that everyone else colludes in your delusion to the extent that they are expected to deny their sexual orientation is damaging beyond belief.

And it's only happening to women.

"I once said on another subreddit that 'I don't mind penis' and got jumped on for being trans phobic because I was 'saying that penis = male'. Except that wasn't what I meant at all. Because a man can have a penis and a woman can have a penis."

Clever attempt to use their own logic against them, but not clever enough, as she expected them to actually stick to their logic, which they don't.

When a lesbian says that sorry, she's just not into dicks, then the twanzwacktivists will suddenly remember the biological facts, just for long enough to get angry at her for rejecting males.
They know that she will be able to discriminate against the transwomen because they know that actual lesbians do not come with surprise dicks.

I am very skeptical regarding whether they will truly stick to their "you have a right to say no" claims if that actually happens.

Like, when a lesbian tells a MtT "Sorry, you're not my type", as she would a lesbian she doesn't fancy, would he really just accept that and leave ... or would he throw a tantrum and accuse her of transphobia because that is clearly the only reason why she would not fancy his lovely self?

Also, this whole shit is a display of privilege and of not really caring who they stick their dicks into.

I most certainly would never, never, never, ever try to persuade a misogynist to have sex with me. Because I am a woman and sex is not about me shoving my dick into someone and having all the power, I would not want a person who hates me in my bed. No, not even a "benevolent" sexist.

There once was a misogynist who boasted on the internet that he'd never have sex with a feminist
The reaction to this? Roaring laughter.
Exactly zero people told him that he should stick his dick into a feminist to prove that he's not a feministphobe, or whatever. Feminists were glad he'd stay the hell away from us.

If trans really feared violence from "transphobic" lesbians, or feminists, or, really, any woman at all, this trying to get lesbians to accept their dicks would be the very last thing they'd ever want to do.

No, a woman can have a poor surgical replica of a penis. Cheers for link, I'll take a look later.

Hetsexist?

I honestly just googled that to see if it was a real word. I don't think it is, but I give it six months.

Nobby

Good point!

Or am I just sexist??

So by the same logic am I homophobic because I dont want to sleep with a woman just because of her genitals?

venus

I don't know if you will get as far as the discussion about trans-masculine and trans- feminine, but if you do perhaps you might get a better understanding of it than I did.

Frankly, I think they confused the fuck out of each other too.

Also this poor lesbian trying to placate.

"I once said on another subreddit that 'I don't mind penis' and got jumped on for being trans phobic because I was 'saying that penis = male'. Except that wasn't what I meant at all. Because a man can have a penis and a woman can have a penis."

venus

"If a person is totally unidentifiable as trans, and you find him or her attractive and interesting, then you find out her or she is trans and walk away, them you are not reacting to your preference but their irrelevant status, which is by definition bigoted."

www.reddit.com/r/actuallesbians/comments/15ha8u/on_dating_trans_women_and_transphobia/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=comment_list

Ooh which Reddit thread?

venus

Out of interest I googled the question of transwomen dating other transwomen. I ended up spending a mind blowing half hour on Reddit concluding that if I just screen shot half a dozen comments, printed them and posted them through the door of the house of commons, the trans-gender equality bill would die in its tracks.

Unfortunate, I suspect I'm completely wrong about that.

That in my experience is the argument trans allies make, that anyone of course has a perfect right to say no to sex with any individual but if you exclude trans women as a lesbian then it's "problematic" because you don't really see them as women. No shit Sherlock.

Bluebird

Are we really all expected to fancy everyone in the world? Or are we allowed to reject some people because we are not attracted to their facial features, or their figure, or their personality, their values, or (gasp) their genitals? Or in fact, for any fucking reason we like

It gets even more linguistically farcical though. The nuances are worth noting. Transactivists will (reluctantly) agree that no one should be coerced into sleeping with someone they don't want to. So far so good.

But they then say you shouldn't exclude a potential partner on the basis that they are trans - because 'transphobia'. Determinedly separating the fact that a transwoman having a penis is not the same thing as being 'trans'.

You can try following the logic and say okay forget trans, I exclude you on the basis of your penis in that case. But then you get all the bollocks about being shallow and only attracted to genitals and not understanding that when those genitals are attached to a female gender it makes them female. You are being cissexist, and you should check your privilege and, you know, just try.

Then you get the more aggressive ones who just say if you don't fuck me you're a bigot.

This is only transwomen. Transmen don't get into these conversations because they are mostly gay women and aren't the slightest bit interested in getting men to fuck them because, you know, they're GAY.

Yes Riley does think that. Because Riley is a man who doesn't really see women as real people. The transagenda is far more important than a woman's right to decide her own boundaries. As with so much of this shit.

If this wasn't the case, then as a PP said upthread, we would all be required to be willing to sleep with everyone on the planet. Are we really all expected to fancy everyone in the world?

Yes, yes we are, if by "we" you mean actual women.

The transwacktivists are no different from traditional patriarchy, it is just that they would prefer to look like the victim - they don't want to have to violently rape lesbians; that would make them look bad; they want the lesbians to essentially rape themselves by "consenting" to being fucked with a dick, due to the social pressure.

Letting ourselves be raped is not enough, now, we now have to pretend that we enjoy it. I believe that trend started in porn and prostitution and has now reached the mainstream.

She basically hit the nail on the head at the start of the video by making the point that selecting a sexual partner is by its very nature a discriminatory process and that anybody can reject another person as a sexual partner for any reason. There's really nothing more to say.

If this wasn't the case, then as a PP said upthread, we would all be required to be willing to sleep with everyone on the planet. Are we really all expected to fancy everyone in the world? Or are we allowed to reject some people because we are not attracted to their facial features, or their figure, or their personality, their values, or (gasp) their genitals? Or in fact, for any fucking reason we like.

What does Riley think are the implications for consent with the trans agenda here? Should people be taking part in sexual encounters with trans people when they don't want to just so nobody's feelings are hurt? If I, as a straight woman, reject a heterosexual male because I just don't fancy him, but he believes that I am discriminating against his looks, should I be coerced into sleeping with him anyway?