Brilliant video reponse to the horrible "lesbians need to learn to love dick" argument

I lived overseas for years, Middle East and Africa mainly. In poorer cultures you can see the patriarchy very clearly.

Many men looked on me, as a western woman, (even married) as a whore effectively. They were aware that white western women would have sex before marriage. So if we were willing to have sex with one man, we were willing to have sex with anyone, so why not them. Entitlement, in the base sense

I think the cotton ceiling argument is the same argument with a bit of gaslighting thrown in

You're point about self-hatred is a good one, Vestal. I love sex and am very earthy/down to earth, and a partner who isn't at ease in their own skin just isn't ever going to appeal. Plus delusional and narcissistic people are intrinsically off-putting. I couldn't take someone who thought they could change sex seriously.

It's tough, Lazytuesday. Your friend will find it hard. I've read a number of articles by other transwomen who complain that straight men will have sex with them but not relationships. They say that they are always a "dirty secret" - that their partners will use them sexually but only be seen dating women. I think Vestal is probably right, that your friend would do better with gay men.

The thing is that there probably are some 'straight' men out there who may probably be bi and there are even some who may actually be turned on by transwomen when they think about it.

Sure, that is a fetish that exists.

But being bi does not mean being open to dating trans people.

Hating your own body is unattractive. Being deluded about reality is unattractive. Being a believer in gender norms is unattractive - well, to a feminist, anyway.

If your friend wants to have relationships with men, presenting as feminine gay man would be the easier way to get dates. As long as the penis is still there, there's time to change their mind.

It is a difficult question for trans people i guess. I have a friend who is a woman now but she still has her penis despite looking very much like a woman and i know that she imagines having a 'straight' boyfriend. Its hard for her because she wants to be able to accept her penis and not have surgery but also sort of wants to have surgery so she can be accepted properly as a woman by straight men. She wouldnt say this batshit stuff about it being transphobic for straight men not to want to date her though.

The thing is that there probably are some 'straight' men out there who may probably be bi and there are even some who may actually be turned on by transwomen when they think about it. However in the most part sexual orientation is not going to change. I think this is ESPECIALLY TRUE for homosexual people who have had to fight more in a sense to be accepted and so will identify very much more with their sexuality than some 'het' people might.

For example in my case id mainly identify as hetero but the thing is i did have a girlfriend once so im not totally repulsed by women sexually its just that i tend to fancy men more. So i would totally be open to dating trans people. There are lots of situations like that that give credence to people like Riley thinking all sexuality is more fluid than it appears and if they could only get people to open their minds a bit more lesbians might accept dick.
The thing is that that is not always going to happen. Some people really are gay and straight, not everyone is bi. Some people just will never be able to be aroused by certain genitalia.

Ovaries, you made my coffee go up my nose.

I think it's the plastic tat surprise element, rather than the chocolate, which is the reason for its popularity.

I have always wondered at why Kinder Surprise is so popular.

It's really horrible chocolate

I want a sexual partner, not a Kinder Surprise.

< although now I do want a Kinder Surprise>

Ah the cotton ceiling. It's pro-rape at its core, isn't it? Women should have sex with us even if they don't want to, to make us feel better about ourselves.

I'm bisexual. I would sleep with a woman with a vagina or a man with a penis. Not a combination of the above. I want a sexual partner, not a Kinder Surprise.

Whatever next? It's almost like women have the right to CHOOSE whether they have sex with someone with a penis.

Like other people who've posted, I've had it with feminists who let this bullshite transagenda take up time and space. And supported no-platforrming of radical feminists who were never afraid to tell it how it is. Biology matters and gender is nonsense. Ditto 'Gender identity'

Sex is not the same thing as gender. Sex is innate biological reality- male female or intersex. AND CANNOT BE CHANGED BY SURGERY/HORMONES.

Therefore males have a penis. A penis is a male biological characteristics. Women do not and never will have penises. Lesbians are women who are sexually attracted to other women. That is why lesbians are not interested in having sex with mtt men. Lesbians don't do dick.

True, she talked about that. But tbh, it seemed like some kind of obscure academic infighting to me at the time, I had no idea it would become any kind of issue at all.

ArcheryAnnie Love her videos, including this one

The row at Newnham over the transsexual fellow was 20 years ago, so I think they were already attacking Greer at that point.

Did I ever tell you my GG story? She did a reading and a Q&A in a university in my town nearly 20 years ago while promoting The Whole Woman. She talked about the trans issue quite a lot and at the time it seemed so fringe and abstract. Afterwards I managed to talk to her (with some trepidation, she is rather scary!) and I asked her about that. At the time I was a young mother just finished college so unlike my peers was very interested in the politics of motherhood, it seemed like a more concrete issue that affected women. You mark my words, she said, transexual activists (that's what they were called then) are attacking women's rights and they will continue to do so.

I swear the woman is some kind of seer.

Germaine Greer is a personal hero of mine, having read the Female Eunuch when I was a young teenager. It fired up some amazing critical thought in me about women and feminism at just the right age. I cannot believe that women's organisations agree with these aggressive transactivists who want her banned and her voice silenced. Of course they can disagree with what she says about trans ideology, but they don't have any right to silence her, or anyone else.

I cannot stand this attitude that understanding biological reality is now not allowed and worse, it's transphobic and hate speech.

Look at the comments on the Greer story, though.
All but one anti the protesters.

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Bastards! And International Women's Day agrees

It's Germaine Greer ffs. I want to cry. Or punch someone

God I'm so sick of this fucking shit.

Free speech once again being attacked by activists: www.brightonandhovenews.org/2017/02/08/activists-call-for-germaine-greer-appearance-at-international-womens-day-event-to-be-shelved/

It's like men can't imagine a scenario, where it isn't sometimes reasonable to force women to have a dick in their sex-life. They just can't imagine that women genuinely have the right to have real boundaries that men don't have the right to tear down in some circumstances. They're mystified by the idea.

Mystified is a really good word. They genuinely don't get it. And it is that genuine feeling that ropes in the 'funfems'. I think they truly see it as beyond men's comprehension, so they 'deal with the cards that are dealt'. Instead of saying nah, you need to shuffle the pack and try a different set of cards, you make a fucking effort.

I read something interesting about that phenomenon on FB the other day.

Someone said something along the lines of drinking the trans kool-aid is reconciling cognitive dissonance; the message that women are nurturing, put there to service men emotionally, sexually, physically and look after them and also that they need male approval to be real women; and at the same time the message that they are strong and sassy and rebellious and anti-establishment and part of the future.

I am paraphrasing and not sure if I got that quite right, but can't find the post now. I think there's something in that.

It's so indicative that transactivists don't berate straight men for not wanting to fuck biological men who identify as women, or gay men for not wanting to fuck biological women who identify as men; when Owen Jones, famous lefty boy and defender of everyone's rights everywhere (except those of lesbians) was challenged as to whether he would be prepared to perform cunnilingus on a transman, he went ape-shit about how homophobic that question was.

He totally refused to engage in the issue, that this is exactly what is happening to lesbians in reverse. He just blocked everyone who asked him to engage with the issue of lesbians being called transphobic for not wanting dick.

It's like men can't imagine a scenario, where it isn't sometimes reasonable to force women to have a dick in their sex-life. They just can't imagine that women genuinely have the right to have real boundaries that men don't have the right to tear down in some circumstances. They're mystified by the idea.

And I agree. I have no idea how you can start as a feminist and then centre men because they tell you to! I just don't get it.