Brilliant video reponse to the horrible "lesbians need to learn to love dick" argument

A lot of this whole "you're so hung up on genitals" thing is so rapey.

Absolutely aging.

Which makes me wonder why the TRAs are so keen on an agenda which says disclosure of whether they have a male or female set of genitals shouldn't be necessary.

Informed consent isn't informed at all if you're deliberately misled about the sex of your partner. Except in the trans ideology where that is deemed irrelevant.

It's one thing to change your mind at the last minute, with a naked female. It's quite another when you are suddenly confronted with a man and an erection.

Maybe so, but I thought he whole point about consent is that we can say no or change our minds at any point, if that's what we want.

It's one thing to change your mind at the last minute, with a naked female. It's quite another when you are suddenly confronted with a man and an erection.

Sorry posted too soon. The clipping above is from the draft of their latest trans rights report.

So the law currently supports your right to only want sexual activity with a particular sex of partner.

Yes, but homophobic trans advocacy group Stonewall are trying to change that.

Yes. Or, to be fair, a rapist trait.

I do think that in many areas; prostitution, porn, one nights stands even, a lot of men really aren't bothered about the enjoyment of women. Or actual consent for that matter. Many more men than women don't care if their partner is having a good time. The male orgasm is the 'goal' and the orgasm gap for women is large.

So it follows that the MTT not caring if the lesbians they want to have sex with is enjoying or wanting it is a very male attitude. Sex is about a penis ejaculating and nothing else.

I'll always remember being told off by a lesbian in a gay bar who hit on me. I said, "sorry I'm straight" and spent the next few minutes being told not to apologize for myself or my sexuality! Not an experience that has ever happened with the larger number of men who've tried it on over the years. Because she actually thought that consent was important.

Someone posted in one of the lesbian reddits that they're tired of straight men not respecting lesbian relationships. There's quite a few comments in support, they all seem to be by lesbians rather than mtt lesbians (though I've not looked at each individual commenters Reddit), they seem to be staying out of it. If straight men were replaced by mtt then there would be outrage. Yet more ridiculousness, if it's so bad for straight men to do it then it should be the same for mtt people.

" I have a friend who is a woman now but she still has her penis"

Sorry, in what way is she a woman?

Someone who has a penis, is a man.

A penis in a mammal, is only ever attached to a male of the species, except in very rare cases of intersex. I'm not even sure intersex exists in species other than human (how would we know if they did? how would the other animals in that species know?) but in humans it does but it's vanishingly rare.

So how is someone with a penis, a woman? How does that even work?

There is also this outrage over the question of whether a trans person has had surgery. It doesn't matter, it's rude to ask, etc. If it doesn't matter, then what's the problem?

Of course it matters! You may get a small section of society who, whilst they wouldn't sleep with a pre-op, might do with a post op. But most people would like to know before the lights are dimmed and you are both unbuttoning your frocks.

But you're right rio. Having plastic surgery to alter the appearance of your genitals is just that. You can't change sex.

And yes, it deceitful, purposely so.

Some of things they say are delusional. I'm a member of a Facebook group, which is directly unrelated to lgbt stuff but a lot of people are. I had a minor discussion in there as someone said it was transphobic if you're not attracted to trans people and I disagreed, I didn't even put over my full opinion just a more general one and some of the stuff they come out with. The person wasn't a mtt, I think they were ftt, though they were only talking in mtt terms. This is a direct quote from the main person disagreeing. "there are plenty of trans people who are on hormones, have gotten top and bottom surgery, and who 1000% pass as cis so none of these points are valid lmao."

It's pretty tame compared to some stuff I've read but they genuinely believed that fully transitioning makes someone no different than someone biologically born to that sex. I truly despair at times. I'm 22 and I'm so glad I realised really early on that I'm a lesbian, as now it's so confusing for some as the amount of terms, both for sexual orientation and gender, they use is ridiculous. I feel very sorry for a lot of would be lesbians that don't want to identify with it because of the trans activists.

Hiya, SlowSwimmingMom. Can't speak for anyone else but I too am a dull nobody. All the best people are.

I just wanted to comment as I lead a very dull (not complaining!) life, and stumbled across trans discussions via Mumsnet. Have a few lesbian and gay friends but the subject of trans has never really come up in conversations. Not sure if this is because it doesn't touch either of our lives, all being in very long term relationships etc. Anyway, I watched this clip, and have watched another hours worth of Magdelen Burns clips in fascination. Cannot comprehend how the powers that be are so blinkered by this movement...she talks absolute sense and I am truly worried for future children especially. How a child who is more than likely to be a tomboy etc can now end up taking a cocktail of drugs is terrifying.

I believe so long as you do not impose or hurt others than live your life however you wish..but this movement is setting us back so far.

Sorry, I have no personal experience to add just felt I had to comment as a dull nobody out here, this is just bizarre. As Magdelen says, a woman is an adult female human. End of.

Making a lesbian feel she has to entertain a transwoman so she doesn't get labeled a bigot - this is horrific and such a backward step for women everywhere.

Sorry, I am just appalled and wanted to state my support.

I was trying (and failed) the find a clip of the Simpsons episode where Patty Bouvier comes out as lesbian, and is on the point of getting married to Veronica the pro-golfer, when Marge unmasks Veronica as being male. The wedding is off.

That episode was made in 2005. Bet they wouldn't have dared write it that way today.

prawn

That's nothing short of persecution.

I'm not a lesbian either, but I find myself bursting with empathy for what is happening to them.

It's worse for them because they are being actively pursued. It's all about the fucking sex with these TRAs.

Good point, Mercy. I only travelled in Morocco but the hassle from men put me off going again.

Venus is right. It's not about individual choice. It's about an oppressive culture.

And that culture is very pervasive if you're a young lesbian. It's beyond absurd. It's sinister.

Take Reddit. The subgroup lesbian was taken over by porn years ago. So actual lesbians created their own subgroup which got taken over by transwomen. The remaining lesbians went along with the trans invasion, telling the defiant gender rebels that they were transphobic. The lesbians who had been driven out started yet another lesbian subgroup which (you will not be surprised to hear) soon became inclusive and decided that TERFs weren't welcome. So the lesbians had to start over with yet another subgroup...

I think the poor beleaguered lesbians on Reddit are now on their 5th subgroup and have been told by the Reddit powers that be that their trans exclusionary attitude makes them a hate group.

All this just to get some lesbian only space. It's horrible. I find it infuriating and I'm not even a lesbian.

It's just male entitlement. They can't get into their heads that they are being denied what they want.

And are tying themselves in knots to find a reason that they can force society to accept without making themselves look like twats.

Exactly. It's not about deciding on the night because of some individual trait that you find off putting.

It's about being able to have your sexual identity not called into question. Is my DH homophobic because he can categorically state that he wouldn't have sex with another man? Purely on the basis that he's straight and knows he wouldn't like gay sex? If 10 gay men lined up in front of him, he shouldn't have to scrabble around to find some other reason like they're curly haired, or mean, or not attractive to him.

No, but that misses the point that it's extremely shit to say a lesbian can't reject all men as sexual partners without being considered a bigot.

But saying it's all about individual choice misses the point of why this is so awful. It is perfectly reasonable for a lesbian woman to not be attracted to biological men, and a straight man not to be attracted to biological men. And for a gay man not to be attracted to biological women, or a straight woman not to be attracted to biological women.

Personally I wouldn't want to have sex with someone who I had to actively persuade that they wanted to have sex with me. If someone doesn't want sex with me then I don't want sex with them, no matter how much I might fancy them. IMO/E it's a male trait to want that.

Yes. Or, to be fair, a rapist trait.

It is certainly not something lesbians do - showing once again that the MtT who complain about "cotton ceiling" are not women in any sense of the word, and do not even behave like women.
(I think someone, in some debate on transgenderism posted a link on how anorectic women actually move as though they were fat - the link was broken when I got there, but I suppose they'd be careful with doors, etc. that a thin person fits through without problem. I think it is very revealing that the MtT, at the very least those most vocal ones, do not at all behave like women - but we are told to believe them, while no one would believe a woman with anorexia that she's fat.)