Brilliant video reponse to the horrible "lesbians need to learn to love dick" argument

She is awesome. I hate the idea that because these "activists" are more interested in erasing women and invading their spaces than equality, they will challenge any attempt to organise as actual biological women who are a clearly relevant social group as the reproductive class, even if we call ourselves XXers, or whatever.

Very good video

Keep going Magdelen.

It's heartening in one so young that she has grasped not only what it's like to be a woman/lesbian in this day and age, but also what it has been like for women over the last 50 to 100 years.

She realises, beyond doubt, that hard won rights are very fragile.

If you can no longer define the word woman to not include men, and women are no longer legally able to gather without the presence of a man, if he so wishes, the whole edifice is about to tumble.

I love her anger and exasperation. The best one is where she takes down the MTT from the Stonewall website. Her disdain is awesome. Go Magdalen! Hope she knows she has support on Mumsnet.

Here's her next one.

She is just brilliant, logical, eloquent, funny. I love her

I would definitely call it scary, Glittery.

But you're a lesbian and want to bury your face in your partner's vulva then it wouldn't work at all.

Yep. This. Exactly. Transactivists seem to be obsessed with the idea that it's the presence or otherwise of penis that's the issue. It's not. It's the absence of vulva.

That clipping from the Trans rights report is scary why would you want to have sex with someone who didn't want to disclose that they're Trans?

Surely if you are close enough to someone to want to have sex with them you'd want to disclose that small fact?!

Or am I coming at this with my female no rapey brain and not understanding it correctly?!

The more I read on this stuff the scarier it gets!

Great video. Thanks for the link.

Yes, that's it, shins!

NotYoda, I love the contrast between her concise, razor-sharp arguments and her London stoner style delivery...she reminds me of the drug dealer in Withnail and I .."your haiw awe youw aewials"..

Vestal

"The transwacktivists are no different from traditional patriarchy, it is just that they would prefer to look like the victim - they don't want to have to violently rape lesbians; that would make them look bad; they want the lesbians to essentially rape themselves by "consenting" to being fucked with a dick, due to the social pressure"

That made me do a sharp intake of breath. Yes.

I love her deadpan delivery. Excellent.

It is personal choice on an individual level, yes. But in all this obfuscation of what constitutes a woman it should be considered reasonable to rule out men entirely, because you don't find men attractive and transwomen are biological men. People gay or straight should never be shamed for this.

Prawnofthepatriarchy
I get there are issues with it. Personally I couldnt get involed with a trans person pre or post op.
Only saying I could see how somebody might view pre and post op differently. I can also see how someone who has had all their surgery to 'become a female' (in their eyes) is different to someone who dresses the part but still had a penis.
It wouldnt affect me at all because i dont think I'd ever be interested. And I'm totally up for people saying thry wouldnt be intetested either. Who you want to sleep with is personal choice.

Maisypops, a transwoman's surgically constructed neovagina might, at a push, work for some men, in that it's basically a fuck hole. Because it is created where the penis was, a neovagina starts noticeably closer up towards the groin.

Many men wouldn't be happy with a neovagina. Google if you dare.. It's not for the squeamish. It's not very like a real one and, according to researchers, it has a foul smell. But you're a lesbian and want to bury your face in your partner's vulva then it wouldn't work at all. As a lot of men like to do the same I can't imagine they would be very happy either.

The accounts I've read of actually having a neovagina are very sad. You have to dilate them or the wound just heals up. Over time they tend to lose depth and, depending on the technique used, they develop hair balls deep inside which have to be extracted. After some years they often become too small for penetration.

The sky high suicide rate 10 years post op of men who have had this procedure is why the leading American hospital offering the operation stopped doing them.

If I met a man who had lost his genitals in an accident, I wouldn't view him as NotAMan and I certainly wouldn't view him as a woman.
If I met a man with gynaecomastia I wouldn't view him as NotAMan and I wouldn't view him as a woman.
Losing body parts does not affect one's sex a single iota. Nor does gaining or losing breast tissue.
Whilst I can recognise the extremes to which a post op MTT has gone to modify his body to attempt to resemble something female, I don't see this as A-for-effort and concede that femaleness has somehow been earned.

I suppose I'm saying I don't see a difference between pre and post op MTT. They're all just males.

Because why? Because the basic premise they are starting from is male entitlement to use women's bodies.

So if we were willing to have sex with one man, we were willing to have sex with anyone, so why not them. Entitlement, in the base sense

And that's basically why rape has such poor conviction rates. Women have to prove that they didn't want to have sex with that particular man - which is why they bring a woman's sexual history into it - after all, if she's had casual sex with other men, why wouldn't she have casual sex with this man. The fact that she's saying 'I didn't want to have casual sex with this man' seems to be judged to not be enough! The double standards drive me crazy.

Even that case, where the woman was prosecuted for having sex whilst pretending to be a man - in that case, of course the victim was believed, because she's heterosexual, so why would she want to have sex with a woman. Yet, when it's a woman saying that she wouldn't voluntarily have sex with that bloke in a million years, it's disbelieved, because why?

askbasil
Sorry, that's my lazy expression in my first post.
I know exactly what you mean biologically.
My main point is that I can understand why someone interested in women may make a big distinction between someone who has the physical form of female genitals and someone who claims to be a women with a penis. I can see why a lesbian may consider dating a post-op trans female but would never in a million years consider dating a man with a penis dressed as a women.

Sorry I meant to say there's a difference between someone who has bothered to have an op and someone who hasn't.

There's a difference between a penis and an inverted penis.

Transwomen never have vaginas.

They have inverted penises which are hollowed out to act as a "front hole" as they call it, but they are not vaginas.

A vagina isn't a hole, it's an organ which actually does stuff in the body and is connected to other body bits.

An inverted penis won't do what a vagina does.

It's not like getting your liver to take over your gall-bladder function. If you have your gall-bladder removed, your liver will simply take over the task your gall bladder used to do. But if you have never had a vagina to begin with, inverting your penis will not make it take over the functions and actions of a vagina.

I agree that there's a difference between a man who has had an op to give him an approximation of women's genitals. But they are not women's genitals, they simply don't function the way real women's genitals do.

Great video.
Im very understanding of people being trans but think that transactivism had gone too far.

Lesbians- women who like women (no dicks)
Gay - men who like men (dicks)
Bisexual - men&women who are happy either way
Straight - men who like women and vice versa (men with dick)

There used to be a time when there was a clear difference between someone being a transvestite by dressing as the opposite sex and transgenser where they've transitioned. Even now I'm entirely open to people living as the 'opposite' gender in preparation for their transition if tbey really do feel like theyre in the wrong body (not going to judge)

But what a lot of these transactivists cant seem to get their brains around is there's a massive difference between a pre&post op trans person. E.g. a trans woman who has boobs, no penis and now has a vagina is VERY different to trans "i feel like a woman want to dress like a woman but i want to keep my penis and cry when lesbians don't like me" aka male transvestite.

By all means, dress and identify however you see fit, but dont start saying that people who arent into dick are being mean to you. It's their sexual orientation!

You are all cheering me up immensely. And Magdalen Berns is a hero, so brave, I love her attitude.

venus

agreed. I'm constantly amazed how women don't see the utter maleness of all this