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Misgendering conviction overturned

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roseshippy · 06/02/2017 13:53

But only just.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4190064/Entrepreneur-hauled-court-hate-crimes.html

Basically: Joanne Gullon is ex-army, and has been living as a woman since 2014.

Vernon Mussington is a businessman who doesn't appear to know Gullon.

Gullon claims that:

(a) in October or November 2015 Mussington said 'alright geezer' to Gullon in the street and laughed while looking between Gullon's legs. However the policewoman present did not Mussington being there.
(b) 2 weeks later Mussington was accused of doing the same thing - however Gullon's description of the offender did not match Mussington at all
(c) January 2016 Gullon is filmed ranting to Mussington after claiming Mussington said 'alright geezer'. However the film does not capture Mussington saying anything at all.

Mussington was convicted in magistrates' court but this was overturned on appeal, on the basis that while 'alright geezer' is offensive (although Mussington claims he was just saying hello, and it was a normal greeting and due to Gullon's clothes had no idea that Gullon was a transwoman), the offence requires a 'course of conduct'.

I wonder if you could be convicted of hate crimes for calling a transwoman a 'he' or a 'man', e.g., on Twitter. I assume so.

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Datun · 06/02/2017 16:00

bambini

I'm sure the man was doing it deliberately to make a point. Which is mean, of course.

But at which point does calling a male a man become offensive and goady, rather than a statement of fact?

If you keep doing it? If you use a slang word like geezer? At what point does it cease to be true and tip into 'true, but offensive'.

Because this slope is so bloody slippery that at the bottom it becomes 'true, but also untrue and therefore criminal'.

Bambambini · 06/02/2017 14:47

Whether it should have made it to court or not, i'm not comfortable with the amount of folk leaping to Mussington's defence as though he is a hero as i suspect he was being deliberately goady and offensive.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 06/02/2017 14:26

I was misgendered in Specsavers a few months back.
The irony!

EssieTregowan · 06/02/2017 14:01

I've also been 'misgendered' countless times in my youth as I always had very short hair and no makeup. I couldn't give the tiniest of fucks.

EssieTregowan · 06/02/2017 13:58

Jesus wept.

I can't tell you how many times I've been catcalled or shouted at on the street, same as most women. I was sexually assaulted by a man in my own home and there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute. A taxi driver exposed himself to me as a teenager. The list goes on.

But this transwoman gets called a geezer and it ends in a conviction?

The world has gone completely fucking batshit.

roseshippy · 06/02/2017 13:56

sorry I should say requires a 'course of conduct', and only the last incident was proved ('alright geezer'), the first two were not

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