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Dress Code Discrimination -and LGBT community feeling uncomfortable

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Usermuser · 25/01/2017 09:55

The Guardian has done an article today about the dress codes in work places for women (heels, make up, skirt above the knee, blonde hair). As far as I can see, it focuses on the law, the health issues of heels and the fact that woman feel sexualised by having to dress this way.

And then there's this:

'MPs also expressed concern that gender specific dress codes reinforced stereotypes which could make lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender workers feel uncomfortable at work.'

Fine, I'm sure that's true, but many straight women feel uncomfortable with these gender stereotypes too! It's not just an issue of women being sexualised, it's that many would much rather wear trousers than a skirt, and don't see why they should have to conform to 'femininity' and wear makeup. These 'reinforced stereotypes' hurt everyone, not just the LGBT community. Grr.

For anyone who is interested:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/25/law-must-be-tougher-over-dress-code-discrimination-say-mps

OP posts:
SomeDyke · 25/01/2017 12:22

"Are they suggesting that lesbian and bisexual women all have short hair, sensible shoes and trousers? And that heterosexual women don't?"
You don't remove the sting of the attempted insult of describing lesbians as women in sensible shoes by saying that not all lesbians wear sensible shoes.

In my experience, lesbians who don't do femininity tend to do it in a rather different way to straight women anyway. It's the difference between not wearing heels, and wearing flats, versus wearing sensible leather lace ups. Between not wanting to wear a short skirt, or preferring slacks to skirts, and wearing a shirt and tie. And short hair as opposed to a buzz-cut.

From a footwear point of view, although I am of course totally opposed to heels (on sexualised grounds and the fact they are very bad for your feet!), I'm also opposed to many flat shoes that women wear -- for example, even flat shoes that basically only just cover your toes are also bad for your feet. The 'sensible shoes' crack actually makes it quite clear that almost no shoes designed 'for' women are sensible. And certainly not sensible in the fit-for-purpose way that most mens shoes are (I omit here the unisex not lacing your trainers nonsense!). Indeed, the only 'bad for your feet' mens shoes I can think of are things like winkle-pickers with very pointed toes.

Just looking at the women around me today at work, apart from the trainer-wearers (which is a pretty unisex trend), almost none are wearing what I would consider sensible shoes (apart from the other dykes!). Heels, pumps with no support, those bloody stupid ugg-style boots with no ankle support whatsoever!

I have to admit, in some situations I think I have it easier in that where there are dress codes, the missus and I often just wear what the chaps wear. And being ready to cite 'sex-discrimination' at anyone who dares to object. I haven't worn a skirt or dress since I was at school, and gave up trying to buy 'womens' shoes and just went straight to the mens section even earlier. Never wore tights apart from the woolly ones when I was little.

GeekLove · 25/01/2017 10:54

For me it's because I cannot run or walk properly in heels and if I had to wear them I would have to discard them in order to walk properly without further damaging my feet.
Skirts aren't at all warm for much of the year and usually have no pockets. Legging are tolerable but I don't wear tights because they chafe and give me thrush.

ChocChocPorridge · 25/01/2017 10:51

I think it was just to avoid mentioning transgender people all on their own.

Usermuser · 25/01/2017 10:17

Broomstick, that's the impression I got. The idea that woman might feel uncomfortable wearing short skirts is put down to them not wanting to feel sexualised. As if as long as they're not leered at as they walk through the office, it's all good.

OP posts:
GeekLove · 25/01/2017 10:09

I know I cannot work in an environment when I am expected to wear a skirt and heel. The exception of that would be if the men are expected to wear skirt and heels to. This is not an unreasonable question to ask.

BroomstickOfLove · 25/01/2017 10:01

Are they suggesting that lesbian and bisexual women all have short hair, sensible shoes and trousers? And that heterosexual women don't?